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today's tuesday december 4 2018

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338 days into the new year just

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wow we're late in the fourth quarter

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here folks

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and as always we are live

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we're live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of beautiful downtown burbank

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california and i would like to welcome

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everybody listening all around the world

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all across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south

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that's right this is fade to black for

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i am your host jimmy church what is

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how you doing i'm doing pretty good

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tonight i'm gonna review

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jeremy corbell's new film

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area 51 of flying saucers and i'm going

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to do that with wolf mccarron

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that's right

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wolf mccarran one of the original area

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little curious note about wolf

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all of the footage you have ever seen of

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anything that you have ever seen on area

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chances are wolf mccarron shot it he was

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out there as a young man

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and a very young man with a video camera

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running around chasing uh

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after and being chased by all of the

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with all of the original cats all of the

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original guys back in the early early

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uh carry a video camera with him and

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shoot it all he's got an extensive the

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most extensive area 51

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video library on the planet and the cool

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thing is he shot it all

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um and he's met uh

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was wolf okay so we watched the film

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this you've got your opinion i've got

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uh we we saw what we saw let's talk

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mary 50 what you know i

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it but he would be upset uh but let's

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he's collected stuff

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say as long as i i can't say anymore you

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want to know more but i i just can't say

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tomorrow night uh we have a very special

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surprise guest i'm going to announce

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that guest tomorrow and yes you will be

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surprised thursday night is another

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fader night with teresa inaris divine

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frequency on the airwaves

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followed by open lines all night long

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now on stellar okay

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you can head over to on stellar right

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now i posted it uh the links to it a few

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of the film which is

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tonight and obviously i can't do uh

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000 words for a review i wonder how many

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words is in that review i thought it was

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too long and i wanted to add more to it

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wanted to leave something on the table

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for tonight but if you want to go and

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check out that review the links are up

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they are also over on facebook okay so

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if you so desire okay so that's on

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stellar on stuller.com twitter you can

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facebook youtube you know what to do

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okay just go to jimmyturtradio.com and

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click you can follow like and subscribe

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lots to talk about tonight it was a very

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very very big night

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here in hollywood uh downtown at the ace

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any kind of after party with uh bob or

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what was going on on there all the fader

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where we took that over it was a lot of

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pictures but if you were there um call

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in tonight if you were

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at the premiere you don't have to be a

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fade or not if you're at the premiere

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you can also give us a call here i would

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love to hear from you guys tonight

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and the phone lines that we're gonna be

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in a little bit if you're at the

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hear from you tonight's the night to do

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that you can come and join us for the

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2019 conscious life expo

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right here in los angeles california at

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this year we are celebrating the 50th

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molten howe and jason martel billy

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for eric so you're going to want to hang

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conscious life expo go to

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consciouslifeexpo.com for tickets

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and a full conference schedule

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and you can also just click on the cle

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banner over at jimmychurchradio.com go

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and get it now get your stuff arranged

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it's at the lax hilton so if you're

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coming in from out of state uh

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up north whatever you're just flying

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into lax and you're walking to the hotel

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because it's right there you could

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literally if you got a if you got a

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carry-on bag you can walk to the hotel

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you can also uber you can take attack

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taxi or whatever but it's literally

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right there at the entrance of lax

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in los angeles california okay

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uh let's see where are we at um

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we announced hoffman's optics a couple

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of weeks ago our newest sponsors here

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so all you have to do is go to hoffman's

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a call he's there he's a fate or not

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he's there for you he'll answer all of

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your questions point you in the right

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direction okay they've got a lot of

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great stuff that is going on over there

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thank you for that john i will retweet

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that right now there you go hoffman's

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yeah bitcoin what's up with that

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i was reading

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uh ib times international business times

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one of my favorite websites by the way i

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don't know who runs it i don't want to

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but uh the information is really good

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they had an article up i think it was

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yesterday

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that said uh bitcoin

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is probably going to settle in at around

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that's what that's what it's going to do

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i think it's going to go lower but to

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have

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times say that and here we are

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you know it's been right around 38 30

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700 now for a couple of

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well certainly the last seven days it

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seems longer since the power slide

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started but bitcoin

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where is it going to stop

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uh what else do you get uh you get the

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bunker cam yeah that's gonna get sussed

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out is it running tonight i didn't even

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check

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somebody post me a tweet i didn't even i

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didn't even look

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all right all right let's get the show

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vinnie and and deserved it

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jeff bridges today is 69

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and you know why he makes the cut

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there's a lot of reasons but one big one

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the big

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lebowski

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jeff bridges today the dude

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the dude what's the guy's name that

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narrates uh the big lebowski

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you know the marlboro man the guy with

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the the gray mustache

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uh who is that

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okay it's working bunker cam is good

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thank you who's the dude with the gray

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mustache

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the the the marlboro man that narrates

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the big lebowski thank you for not

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smoking it's that guy

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i can't uh viewing adonis thank you

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viewing of adonis confirmed

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what's his name what's

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what's his what's his name

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does anybody know okay all right post

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thank you for not smoking

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all right

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where i'm at where am i at on the stay

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in history otd

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1872

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a british ship

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under captain david morehouse

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spots

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the mary celeste

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that's right

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and paranormal activity

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was born not tom selleck karen

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sam elliott that's good who did that

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ah

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comes in strong with sam elliott

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it's very impressive uh there jimmy

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anyway paranormal uh activity started on

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this day in 1872 a british ship under

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captain david morehouse spots the mary

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celeste an american vessel

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sailing erratically but was at full sail

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all the sails are up near the azores

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islands in the atlantic ocean

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the ship was sea earthy its stores and

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supplies were untouched

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but nobody not a soul

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was on board

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and and the rumors and the stories about

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what was there when they got on board

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like

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the food was still warm

388
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the lifeboats were there right

389
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it's one of the craziest stories ever

390
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but it happened on this day

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in

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1872 fader fact okay here we go are you

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the toothpaste

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cold gate

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in spanish

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translates to

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are you ready wait for it

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is this thing on hey that's a great

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picture right there of sam elliott yep

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that's him

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and sam with a thin mustache but that's

402
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sam good job john

403
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all right also in roadhouse is he really

404
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sam elliott was the marble yes sam

405
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elliot was he's one of the marlboro men

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that's why he was in that movie thank

407
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you for not smoking i'm pretty sure

408
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am i wrong

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wasn't sam elliott a marlboro man

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somebody please confirm i don't i really

411
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don't want to be the diss info guy

412
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i really don't all right

413
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where am i at

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tonight i'm going to review jeremy

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corbell's new film

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the film is called the bob lazar area 51

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of flying saucers i'm going to do that

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with wolf mccarran he's going to be with

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us here in a few short minutes

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and

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uh

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how important

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god i got to hit this coffee

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colgate

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it's it's true right i think so what is

426
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i don't know i don't know

427
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how important

428
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are these films

429
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you know and we've had a lot of them

430
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lately

431
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serious right unacknowledged back to

432
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back from stephen greer

433
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you know uh there's above majestic

434
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the hunt for skinwalker now we've got

435
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bob lazar area 51 and flying

436
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saucers how important are these films

437
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and what is going on

438
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now

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these are

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studio releases

441
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and they're documentaries and

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for

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most of these are put out by the orchard

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and uh

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uh i understand this segment

446
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of uh

447
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of the viewing audience

448
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it's a big one

449
00:18:53,190 --> 00:18:50,480
about us and this subject right so it's

450
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not it please remember something

451
00:19:00,549 --> 00:18:58,000
it's not just us watching above majestic

452
00:19:02,390 --> 00:19:00,559
or you know like bob lazar it's not it's

453
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not it's getting outside of our

454
00:19:08,630 --> 00:19:03,600
community

455
00:19:09,669 --> 00:19:08,640
numbers i mean you know big numbers to

456
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us

457
00:19:15,669 --> 00:19:12,720
in the world side of things you know

458
00:19:17,830 --> 00:19:15,679
when you look at a tv show like

459
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uh ancient aliens

460
00:19:24,950 --> 00:19:22,559
the average ancient aliens viewer

461
00:19:27,510 --> 00:19:24,960
never heard of bob lazar

462
00:19:28,310 --> 00:19:27,520
has no idea rendell shim

463
00:19:35,669 --> 00:19:28,320
no

464
00:19:37,990 --> 00:19:35,679
area 51 because of bob lazar they don't

465
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listen to coast to coast a.m

466
00:19:41,669 --> 00:19:39,760
you know that's the average and so you

467
00:19:43,110 --> 00:19:41,679
got to think about how small our

468
00:19:45,110 --> 00:19:43,120
community is

469
00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:45,120
you know the numbers for above majestic

470
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i don't know what those are but they're

471
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not very big and the numbers from our

472
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community

473
00:19:54,070 --> 00:19:51,520
or whatever that are watching above

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majestic small those numbers are small

475
00:19:59,510 --> 00:19:57,200
it's outside of of our community where

476
00:20:01,190 --> 00:19:59,520
the numbers are big

477
00:20:03,350 --> 00:20:01,200
that's something to think about you know

478
00:20:04,710 --> 00:20:03,360
uh you know how important are these

479
00:20:07,510 --> 00:20:04,720
films

480
00:20:10,870 --> 00:20:07,520
and i look at it this way

481
00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:10,880
when we have the ufo community and

482
00:20:16,230 --> 00:20:13,840
please everybody just listen to what i

483
00:20:18,789 --> 00:20:16,240
am saying because there are others that

484
00:20:21,110 --> 00:20:18,799
are going to listen to this

485
00:20:22,710 --> 00:20:21,120
little monologue later that are not part

486
00:20:25,350 --> 00:20:22,720
of this community or they may be

487
00:20:26,710 --> 00:20:25,360
listening now because they've wandered

488
00:20:28,149 --> 00:20:26,720
into the show but they're not a part of

489
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:28,159
this community like i said they don't

490
00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:29,520
know who bob lazar is they don't know

491
00:20:33,590 --> 00:20:30,960
who corey good is they don't know who

492
00:20:35,590 --> 00:20:33,600
richard dolan is they don't know

493
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they don't know right

494
00:20:38,230 --> 00:20:36,640
okay

495
00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:38,240
so

496
00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:41,200
the importance of these films is who is

497
00:20:44,950 --> 00:20:42,480
viewing it

498
00:20:48,310 --> 00:20:44,960
outside of our community

499
00:20:51,350 --> 00:20:48,320
when you look at a film like sirius the

500
00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:51,360
reason why sirius was successful

501
00:20:54,789 --> 00:20:53,440
first off the film was a little bit

502
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:54,799
different

503
00:21:00,549 --> 00:20:58,320
okay it covered a lot of ground

504
00:21:03,270 --> 00:21:00,559
it covered consciousness it covered

505
00:21:06,149 --> 00:21:03,280
awakening it did

506
00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:06,159
uh it had some ufo stuff in it it did

507
00:21:10,950 --> 00:21:09,760
have the uh atacama alien mummy dude in

508
00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:10,960
it right

509
00:21:14,789 --> 00:21:12,240
with emery

510
00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:14,799
so you know it had that but if you watch

511
00:21:20,630 --> 00:21:17,760
the movie you knew by watching it that

512
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:20,640
the atacama mummy was

513
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:22,480
uh like a couple of minutes of the

514
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filming really you had to i i watched

515
00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:26,799
the film for that

516
00:21:31,270 --> 00:21:28,960
and was so disappointed

517
00:21:33,830 --> 00:21:31,280
and that there was it was such a small

518
00:21:36,789 --> 00:21:33,840
part of the film

519
00:21:39,350 --> 00:21:36,799
sirius reached into the consciousness

520
00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:39,360
community the yoga community the

521
00:21:44,230 --> 00:21:42,080
awakening community and that community

522
00:21:46,149 --> 00:21:44,240
doesn't know who bob lazar is that

523
00:21:49,029 --> 00:21:46,159
community doesn't know who corey good is

524
00:21:51,909 --> 00:21:49,039
that community doesn't know necessarily

525
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:51,919
about things like roswell or

526
00:21:55,510 --> 00:21:54,320
or malmstrom air force base they don't

527
00:21:58,789 --> 00:21:55,520
know

528
00:22:01,110 --> 00:21:58,799
kenneth arnold

529
00:22:03,669 --> 00:22:01,120
they don't know about these things

530
00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:03,679
and that's the importance of these films

531
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:07,280
is the reach out on the outside of it

532
00:22:11,590 --> 00:22:09,360
because when you look at

533
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uh unacknowledged

534
00:22:16,549 --> 00:22:14,720
my criticism of ign acknowledged the

535
00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:16,559
film is great

536
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:18,880
film is edited really well

537
00:22:24,870 --> 00:22:22,080
um having louis armstrong saying it's a

538
00:22:26,950 --> 00:22:24,880
wonderful world at the beginning hey you

539
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:26,960
know what that was strong stuff

540
00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:30,159
right mikey mazzola the way that he uh

541
00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:32,480
edited that and put that film together

542
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:35,440
uh very commendable but that film wasn't

543
00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:37,840
made for our community it was made for

544
00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:39,520
everybody else it was made for my

545
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:43,520
parents who know nothing about ufos

546
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:46,640
you know it's it's it's always focused

547
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:50,320
at the lowest common denominator

548
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:53,280
right and that's what unacknowledged did

549
00:22:59,909 --> 00:22:56,880
and above me above majestic in very

550
00:23:01,909 --> 00:22:59,919
large part does the exact same thing

551
00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:01,919
there was some breaking stuff in above

552
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:04,240
majestic that that i had never seen

553
00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:06,240
before i thought was pretty cool but

554
00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:08,720
again to the lowest common denominator

555
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:11,679
the hunt for skin walker

556
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:14,480
man you know i a lot of a harsh

557
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:16,880
criticism out there by about that film

558
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:19,200
but for the most part

559
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:20,960
it's made for people that have never

560
00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:23,200
heard of skinwalker

561
00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:25,039
that's that's that's my opinion but

562
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:27,440
that's what i get from it and and bob

563
00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:29,280
lazar here we are

564
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:32,000
bob lazar area 51 and ufos what do we do

565
00:23:35,110 --> 00:23:33,600
with this film well we're going to talk

566
00:23:38,549 --> 00:23:35,120
about this tonight

567
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:38,559
and the the reason for all of these

568
00:23:44,230 --> 00:23:42,080
films with major uh distribution

569
00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:44,240
coming out so

570
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:46,720
quickly back to back to back and there's

571
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:48,480
more coming out

572
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:50,480
okay there's more i've got a couple of

573
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:52,880
directors uh that have contacted me in

574
00:23:57,270 --> 00:23:55,200
the last couple of weeks that have major

575
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:57,280
film releases in the works that

576
00:24:01,830 --> 00:23:59,360
um either i've been on the show before

577
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:01,840
or are you know part of the fade to

578
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:03,679
black family here

579
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:05,600
and that are going to be on the show

580
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:08,720
very soon and these films are finished

581
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:10,960
so what's the reason for it

582
00:24:13,830 --> 00:24:12,080
so

583
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is it

584
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:16,080
disclosure

585
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:23,750
if you think about that

586
00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:25,039
why

587
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:27,760
this community after viewing each one of

588
00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:29,679
these films which is sitting back on

589
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:32,320
their hands going well okay that's cool

590
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:34,000
i'm glad it's out there

591
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:36,159
i didn't learn anything

592
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:36,960
well

593
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:39,760
it's not about you it's not about this

594
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:43,440
community think about who else is seeing

595
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:44,960
these films

596
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:48,240
that are being exposed to a broad when

597
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:51,600
you think about uh the subjects in

598
00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:54,000
serious or unacknowledged you know

599
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:56,240
secret access programs you go from that

600
00:24:59,830 --> 00:24:58,000
serious which is free energy and

601
00:25:03,110 --> 00:24:59,840
consciousness right unacknowledged

602
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:03,120
secret access programs above majestic

603
00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:05,039
uh

604
00:25:09,269 --> 00:25:06,799
that's a lot of subjects and above

605
00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:09,279
majestic but again exposing people to

606
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:12,320
this and another part of this a hump for

607
00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:14,960
skin walker right paranormal activity at

608
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:17,440
a ranch in utah right and then we've got

609
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:19,440
bob lazar the whistleblower out of area

610
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:20,960
51.

611
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:22,080
so

612
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:26,559
wondering what is really going on

613
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:30,000
is that the place that these films have

614
00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:31,200
right now

615
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:33,039
not for our community

616
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:34,080
and i

617
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:36,240
i am comfortable

618
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:38,240
in saying that

619
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:41,120
am i walking away disappointed look

620
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:42,320
uh

621
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:45,760
the the level of a movie

622
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:48,240
that you would have to see

623
00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:50,400
sitting next to me the level of

624
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:52,880
information the

625
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:55,440
comprehensive nature that would have to

626
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:57,840
be so groundbreaking and mind-blowing

627
00:26:02,070 --> 00:26:00,640
for me to go whoa i'd i didn't know any

628
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:02,080
of this before

629
00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:03,760
i don't even know what that movie would

630
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:04,880
be

631
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:06,720
and neither do you

632
00:26:10,710 --> 00:26:09,360
right so is that possible

633
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:10,720
well i would love to i would love for

634
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:12,400
that movie to be made but i can't have

635
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:15,279
those kinds of expectations

636
00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:17,760
it's a very important point for all of

637
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:22,080
us to realize you know so i came away

638
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:24,559
um from lazar impressed in the

639
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:27,520
cinematography yes technical issues

640
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:28,880
we'll be talking about all of that

641
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:30,960
tonight the subject of the film

642
00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:33,440
uh what was covered in the film

643
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:36,080
should you watch it okay

644
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:37,919
we're gonna cover all of that tonight

645
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:40,720
but bear in mind i just honestly feel

646
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:43,919
the film wasn't made for me

647
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:46,080
and it wasn't made for you this is made

648
00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:50,000
for everybody else the bob lazar fans

649
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:51,760
and the rest of the world

650
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:53,279
so this is fade to black i'm your

651
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:54,400
swimming church tomorrow now we got a

652
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:55,919
special surprise guest i'm going to make

653
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:57,760
that announcement tomorrow

654
00:27:02,390 --> 00:26:59,760
thursday night teresa anders is going to

655
00:27:05,310 --> 00:27:02,400
be here with a divine frequency on the

656
00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:05,320
airwaves email is jimmy and jimmy

657
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:07,600
jimmychurchradio.com you can also follow

658
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:09,840
me on twitter at j church radio we do

659
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:11,200
have one two

660
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:13,279
chat rooms we have one over at spreaker

661
00:27:19,269 --> 00:27:16,400
we have one over kg ra the planet and

662
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:19,279
tonight a couple of things you can use

663
00:27:22,590 --> 00:27:21,440
the hashtag f2b for the sandbox you can

664
00:27:26,390 --> 00:27:22,600
use

665
00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:26,400
f2bq for fade to black questions and if

666
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:28,720
you went to the premiere last night or

667
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:30,559
if you purchased the film

668
00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:33,120
can you rent it too as well if you've

669
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:36,080
seen the film in streaming

670
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give us a call tonight

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676
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jimmy church tonight wolf mccarron and i

677
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:54,159
are going to review jeremy corbell's new

678
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film bob lazar

679
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area 51 and flying saucers we're going

680
00:28:02,310 --> 00:27:59,760
to do all of that

681
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:02,320
that's right wolfie one of the original

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area 51 researchers nobody knows more

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[Music]

777
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:12,389
all right welcome back

778
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:15,039
paid to black i'm your host jimmy church

779
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:18,640
tonight i will be doing a review

780
00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:21,840
of jeremy corbell's new film bob lazar

781
00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:24,240
area 51 of flying saucers with wolf

782
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:26,000
mccarron

783
00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:28,320
wolf is with us now a couple of things

784
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:30,799
wolf was one of the original researchers

785
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:34,320
down at area 51 over at area 51

786
00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:36,880
and he videotaped just about every time

787
00:33:41,590 --> 00:33:38,799
he was out there

788
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:41,600
that's one aspect of wolves career wolf

789
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:44,399
also was one of the technical directors

790
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:46,720
of mufon los angeles for a number of

791
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:48,480
years probably

792
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:51,039
i don't even know but but probably a

793
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:52,960
dozen or more and

794
00:33:59,909 --> 00:33:56,880
on our last season of the unexplained on

795
00:34:03,110 --> 00:33:59,919
history channel we did a segment on area

796
00:34:05,830 --> 00:34:03,120
51 and there was only one person uh to

797
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:05,840
go and do that for us and that was wolf

798
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:08,320
mccarron wolf welcome back uh to fade to

799
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:10,560
black how are you

800
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:11,919
good great buddy good to be back and

801
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:13,599
great to see you last night yeah it was

802
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:15,119
uh it was a lot of fun it was a lot of

803
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:15,919
fun

804
00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:17,440
and uh

805
00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:20,000
the let's let's kind of start here wolf

806
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:22,079
i almost want to do some of your

807
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:24,000
background with everybody

808
00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:27,520
um okay let's let's do that first

809
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:29,839
when you first started uh going out to

810
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:34,800
area 51 in the early 90s um

811
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:37,520
what what inspired you to start making

812
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:40,320
those road trips out there

813
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:42,960
well i was at um i think i was at ufo

814
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:44,720
expo west back then i used to hit up all

815
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:46,879
those back in the day and i think i was

816
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:49,919
at the 1992 expo west of the 93 and

817
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:51,520
that's the one that john lear actually

818
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:52,720
spoke at

819
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:54,079
and uh

820
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:56,159
at that time there was a norio had like

821
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:57,440
a little booth out there and actually

822
00:35:01,670 --> 00:34:59,760
sean warren had a booth out there too

823
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:01,680
and uh you know norio had all these i

824
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:03,520
already knew of very 51 through ufo

825
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:04,960
magazine and through uh you know

826
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:06,960
articles about lazar uh that were

827
00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:09,040
published in that um but uh you know

828
00:35:11,829 --> 00:35:10,480
noria was there was another one of the

829
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:11,839
early areas with one researchers with a

830
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:14,240
handful of guys like five and uh he had

831
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:15,440
you know had all these uh pictures of

832
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:16,720
the base and all that stuff so it kind

833
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:18,320
of got me intrigued and at that time i

834
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:19,920
was already switching over my research

835
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:20,720
from

836
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:22,160
you know just i got sick about reading

837
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:23,760
about books about lights in the sky you

838
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:25,920
know ufo books and stuff and i wanted to

839
00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:27,280
you know i just wanted to go out to the

840
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:28,400
military because i figured if anybody

841
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:29,599
knew where it was at it was definitely

842
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:32,079
the military so uh i kind of switched

843
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:33,839
gears of my research and just started

844
00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:35,359
doing that and just got really uh

845
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:37,520
hardcore to like learning about military

846
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:39,040
secrets and black ops and stuff like

847
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:40,160
that

848
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:44,400
real i really just uh you know i hooked

849
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:45,920
up in oreo a little bit we got along

850
00:35:49,109 --> 00:35:47,839
really great and i just started you know

851
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:49,119
learning about how to get out there and

852
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:50,960
that kind of thing and i i

853
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:52,800
started making trips out there my first

854
00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:54,240
trip was with uh i think i told you

855
00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:55,520
before was with

856
00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:02,950
and take him out in a passenger van out

857
00:36:06,069 --> 00:36:04,640
there so i went with a couple people and

858
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:06,079
that was actually my first trip to area

859
00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:08,160
51 was with sean

860
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:11,359
and we're talking about norio hayakawa

861
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:13,040
everybody and

862
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:14,960
um so

863
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:16,720
you also

864
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:19,520
decided and i i find this uh one of the

865
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:21,680
most interesting parts of

866
00:36:27,910 --> 00:36:24,480
of how you dealt with it out there you

867
00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:27,920
you got radios uh walkie-talkies of

868
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:30,079
course video equipment

869
00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:30,880
and

870
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:34,240
you decided to map out the the

871
00:36:37,589 --> 00:36:35,040
the

872
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:37,599
area around area 51

873
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:40,240
where the checkpoints were where the

874
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:42,560
guards were and their radio

875
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:44,079
communications

876
00:36:48,390 --> 00:36:46,079
and you decided to

877
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:48,400
have fun with those guys too pretty

878
00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:50,320
daring move

879
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:52,000
are you surprised that you didn't get

880
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:53,760
shot or get arrested after all those

881
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:55,200
years

882
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:56,880
oh well i mean i got i've gotten pulled

883
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:58,400
over many times especially near toena

884
00:37:01,109 --> 00:36:59,920
probably got pulled over one incident

885
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:01,119
with the guys

886
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:02,800
um you know after a while i was there

887
00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:05,599
for a while um i acquired a team i took

888
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:07,119
i started attempting a team of guys that

889
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:08,560
had expertise

890
00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:10,240
in certain areas and i had one of the

891
00:37:13,750 --> 00:37:12,400
guys in my team the main guy was a you

892
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:13,760
know he grew up outside of edwards air

893
00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:15,440
force base and he was you know he's

894
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:17,359
basically had scanners and you know

895
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:19,280
spying on edwards for like you know

896
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:21,520
basically his whole life and uh he was a

897
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:23,920
you know he was a radio expert you know

898
00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:25,920
listening the frequencies and stuff so

899
00:37:30,069 --> 00:37:27,760
he was like my main guy we assembled a

900
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:30,079
team of guys had a pilot from sky west

901
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:32,000
that used to fly right near area 51 and

902
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:35,040
used to monitor area 51 from his plane

903
00:37:38,230 --> 00:37:36,720
uh while he was flying a crew of people

904
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:38,240
you know into vegas

905
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:40,320
and uh we started assembling a list of

906
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:42,160
all the frequencies out there tower

907
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:43,760
ground frequencies back in the day if

908
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:45,119
you have to understand it wasn't digital

909
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:46,960
was all analog so we were able to tap

910
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:48,240
into the towers i could actually hear

911
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:50,720
guys on the ground uh the ground crews

912
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:52,400
even i was recording transmissions from

913
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:55,359
the base uh for years uh while they were

914
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:57,440
doing secret missions i still have them

915
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:59,280
you know and uh there's a lot of data to

916
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:00,480
go through you have to go through it but

917
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:03,119
uh we were not only listening to uh to

918
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:04,240
what was going on out there we were

919
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:05,760
actually recording it too

920
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:07,359
so did you uh

921
00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:09,839
uh uh get a chance to hang out or meet

922
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:12,079
bob lazar

923
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:13,760
well i met him actually at the little

924
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:16,640
alien conference which was in 1993

925
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:18,640
oh yeah

926
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:19,920
yeah that was at the little alien

927
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:21,200
conference it was called the ultimate

928
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:23,839
ufo seminar and that was started by

929
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:25,920
noriya hawakawa and i think gary schultz

930
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:27,680
was the one who who

931
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:30,160
promoted it that's right and uh

932
00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:31,680
yeah and that's when i met him but i

933
00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:32,960
actually was the only guy there's only

934
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:34,720
two or three guys that have the video of

935
00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:36,000
that actual

936
00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:39,760
was one of the guys so there's only two

937
00:38:43,349 --> 00:38:41,920
videos i think on youtube that exists

938
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:43,359
and one is this other guys and the other

939
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:45,280
one's mine but that's it there's only

940
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:46,640
two people that have footage of that of

941
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,960
that actual seminar yeah i was thinking

942
00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:50,640
about that last night during the film

943
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:54,079
when they showed him at that seminar

944
00:38:58,470 --> 00:38:56,160
um yeah and i was wondering if that was

945
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:58,480
your footage that wasn't your

946
00:39:01,750 --> 00:39:00,480
you would have said something but now no

947
00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:01,760
i would have i would have gone after

948
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:06,470
that is too funny that's not my footage

949
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:08,960
but but yeah my footage is is i've taken

950
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:11,040
that it i had some issues with youtube

951
00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:12,720
where i had to take down because like

952
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:14,560
monetization issues so i had to restart

953
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:16,240
it again but i should be uploading just

954
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:18,079
so your listeners know i'll probably be

955
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:19,520
uploading it with the next day or two

956
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:21,280
the whole thing it'll be free up there

957
00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:22,079
on my

958
00:39:27,150 --> 00:39:23,760
my youtube account it's called

959
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:27,160
area 51 tv it's one word so it's just

960
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:30,480
youtubegood.com and type in area 51 tv

961
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:31,920
and you can see all my videos up there

962
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:33,520
and all the stuff i shot of the guards

963
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:34,160
and

964
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:36,640
uh black hops blackhawks flying over my

965
00:39:41,829 --> 00:39:39,040
head and all kinds of crazy stuff and uh

966
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:41,839
transmissions being recorded where uh

967
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:43,280
you know me glenn and my friend broke

968
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:44,960
through freedom ridge the first time and

969
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:47,040
all kinds of crazy stuff so it's all up

970
00:39:51,109 --> 00:39:48,160
there but i'm gonna post it probably in

971
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:51,119
the next couple of days okay but um i'll

972
00:39:55,109 --> 00:39:52,560
get the i'll get the links up there for

973
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:55,119
that i'm gonna i'm not gonna fully throw

974
00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:56,800
you under the bus

975
00:40:01,670 --> 00:39:59,359
but i'm gonna i'm gonna share with

976
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:01,680
everybody just a taste of

977
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:04,000
uh what wolfy is about this is uh

978
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:06,880
probably uh ten years ago

979
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:08,640
uh maybe a little more i'm over at

980
00:40:14,310 --> 00:40:11,760
wolfy's house and we're having a party

981
00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:14,320
and and wolfie goes hey church man

982
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:15,839
you want to check out some stuff from

983
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:17,520
area 51

984
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:19,520
i was like what because yeah so anyway

985
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:21,680
i'm not going to say what it was but but

986
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:23,119
wolfy

987
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:25,760
breaks out some hardware

988
00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:27,440
and i'm like

989
00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:31,359
say what and and he swore me to secrecy

990
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:32,240
but

991
00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:34,720
knowing that you were

992
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:35,839
um

993
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:36,560
uh

994
00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:39,839
on the grounds

995
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:41,760
oh hold on that was a

996
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:43,520
that was a sneeze that was the sneeze

997
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:44,880
button everybody just saw that on the

998
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:46,800
camera that was a real sneeze

999
00:40:50,790 --> 00:40:48,880
um was

1000
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:50,800
the stuff that i saw

1001
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:53,040
all i could think about at that time

1002
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:55,280
wolfy was there's only one way to get

1003
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:56,480
that stuff

1004
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:58,640
right there's only one way

1005
00:41:02,950 --> 00:41:00,400
you're not gonna get it in the mail

1006
00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:02,960
right you don't order it online

1007
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:03,760
and

1008
00:41:10,710 --> 00:41:09,440
my impression of you at that time is it

1009
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:10,720
takes

1010
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:15,839
to go out there and do that kind of

1011
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:18,160
stuff and and i've always wanted to do

1012
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:20,000
it but rita has held me back she doesn't

1013
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:21,680
want me to get in trouble

1014
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:25,040
but you did do that and so when

1015
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:27,599
when the audience is listening to you

1016
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:30,000
tonight i need to have them frame that

1017
00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:31,920
in their mind if you don't mind wolfie

1018
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:32,800
in that

1019
00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:35,280
you were there you were out there with

1020
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:37,520
norio and the crew

1021
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:39,680
and getting chased around by the guards

1022
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:41,440
and doing the best that you could to

1023
00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:43,680
find out what was going on

1024
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:47,920
and and there you go so that being said

1025
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:50,560
there are very few people on this planet

1026
00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:55,119
that know area 51 as well as you do

1027
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:58,800
um maybe not even bob lazar right okay

1028
00:42:04,230 --> 00:41:59,520
so

1029
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:04,240
if we look at it in that context when um

1030
00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:06,160
we're gonna go through this tonight

1031
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:07,680
when you see

1032
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:08,560
uh

1033
00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:10,160
the old bob

1034
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:13,760
versus what you saw last night

1035
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:14,800
what do you think what are your

1036
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:17,760
impressions of that is he is he the same

1037
00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:20,160
person or has he changed for you over

1038
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:22,400
the years

1039
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:24,640
well he seems to be the same guy kind of

1040
00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:26,480
you know sticks the story always does

1041
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:27,440
but uh

1042
00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:29,200
um a lot of people think that's like

1043
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:31,040
something to be said like oh he's he

1044
00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:32,480
tells the same story but that's not

1045
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:33,359
really

1046
00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:36,079
uh necessarily true billy meyer never

1047
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:37,520
for instance if anybody knows billy

1048
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:40,240
meyer case he's never switched his story

1049
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:42,560
the read case the read ufo case which is

1050
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:45,280
crazy he's never changed his story so

1051
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:46,480
just because he didn't change the story

1052
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:47,920
doesn't mean he's not telling the truth

1053
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:48,800
or not

1054
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:51,040
and uh you know everybody wants you know

1055
00:42:54,790 --> 00:42:52,880
he's a likable guy as hell everybody

1056
00:42:57,349 --> 00:42:54,800
wants to believe the story there are

1057
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:57,359
some inconsistencies with the story

1058
00:43:01,030 --> 00:42:59,280
a lot and i was always on the fence with

1059
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:01,040
the czar um

1060
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:03,520
and you know his past and and uh you

1061
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:06,720
know his mit and his cal tech degrees

1062
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:08,400
things like that you know

1063
00:43:12,870 --> 00:43:10,319
um i guess we can get into that a little

1064
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:12,880
bit it's like yeah well

1065
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:14,960
you know a lot of people yeah

1066
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:17,280
yeah wolf let me jump in let's get into

1067
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:18,400
that

1068
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:20,960
uh quite a bit later because there is so

1069
00:43:25,750 --> 00:43:23,119
much to discuss in this film

1070
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:25,760
and that is one of the important aspects

1071
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:28,240
of it and so we'll get to that

1072
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:29,680
um now

1073
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:30,640
but

1074
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:33,359
let's let's talk about last night uh

1075
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:36,640
we're downtown it's the uh the ace hotel

1076
00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:39,280
downtown in a theater that

1077
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:41,280
seats 1600

1078
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:43,359
i was there you and i sat next to each

1079
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:44,160
other

1080
00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:46,720
um and i don't think there was an empty

1081
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:49,599
seat that theater was sold out and it

1082
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:50,400
was

1083
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:51,520
massive

1084
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:53,520
did that surprise you what did you think

1085
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:56,400
about the choice of venues

1086
00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:57,520
no i thought it was great it was a

1087
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:58,880
beautiful theater i've never been in

1088
00:44:02,069 --> 00:44:00,160
that one i've been in a lot of theaters

1089
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:02,079
in hollywood but that was that was quite

1090
00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:03,839
a beautiful one and the just the

1091
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:05,119
architecture in that place was really

1092
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:06,960
amazing but uh no i was i was really

1093
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:08,880
stoked that he you know they sold it out

1094
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:10,720
like they did that was great i think it

1095
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:12,640
was good for the uh you know for the

1096
00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:14,319
cause and everything and i think a lot

1097
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:16,160
more people i mean a lot more people are

1098
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:17,839
interested in the ufo and all this type

1099
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:19,040
of stuff now because of it you know

1100
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:20,480
because of shows like ancient aliens and

1101
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:22,240
all the reality shows it wasn't like it

1102
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:24,400
was back in the day when we went to ufo

1103
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:26,640
conventions in 92 and 93 there weren't

1104
00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:28,960
you know yeah you you could there you

1105
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:30,160
know it's like sometimes you find a

1106
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:31,680
handful of people you know that were

1107
00:44:35,190 --> 00:44:33,520
into it because you know now that

1108
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:35,200
there's tv and reality shows and stuff

1109
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:37,280
it's blowing up like big time you know i

1110
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:38,720
always tell people

1111
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:40,400
you know that i mean i go look you know

1112
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:42,000
dude i was doing youtube before there

1113
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:44,240
was youtube okay so

1114
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:45,200
you know

1115
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:46,720
so uh but yeah it's just it's just

1116
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:48,800
blowing up big time you know

1117
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:50,720
and the uh

1118
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:53,520
the age group of everybody last night i

1119
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:56,160
found that to be pretty impressive too

1120
00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:57,839
in that i think everybody was

1121
00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:00,640
represented you know uh uh every you

1122
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:02,640
know from your 20s

1123
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:04,640
you know all the way up to uh you know

1124
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:06,240
people my age

1125
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:08,240
but that was uh that was pretty that was

1126
00:45:11,589 --> 00:45:10,240
pretty impressive to see

1127
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:11,599
uh a a

1128
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:14,800
such a diversified crowd

1129
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:16,400
yeah i thought it was really good

1130
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:18,480
they definitely promoted it right so

1131
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:20,640
it was it was it was it was you know it

1132
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:22,960
was promoted right i think you know so

1133
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:24,480
but it was a it was a it was a good

1134
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:25,920
night to be out with all those people

1135
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:27,119
and stuff i was just gonna hung out a

1136
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:29,040
little bit longer but uh but that was

1137
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:31,359
that you know so yeah we were we were

1138
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:33,760
there until uh

1139
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:36,720
probably 1 30 i think when we left

1140
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:40,000
something like that 1 30. wow um now i

1141
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:43,119
had mentioned at the beginning of uh the

1142
00:45:47,589 --> 00:45:45,680
show tonight that we've had a lot of

1143
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:47,599
films uh

1144
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:50,800
lately like serious and unacknowledged

1145
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:52,800
and recently above majestic and of

1146
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:54,640
course the hump for skinwalker now bob

1147
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:57,200
lazar 51 and flying saucers

1148
00:46:04,950 --> 00:45:59,520
a lot of

1149
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:04,960
up by major hollywood studios right now

1150
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:07,040
uh what do you think is going on is this

1151
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:09,280
part of of what is happening with

1152
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:11,839
disclosure why the sudden interest from

1153
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:15,440
the movie studios in in this subject

1154
00:46:17,829 --> 00:46:16,480
well i think there's always been an

1155
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:17,839
interest but i just think it's kind of

1156
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:20,079
coming back a little bit more um

1157
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:21,520
and i'm sure this film will actually

1158
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:27,670
too

1159
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:29,520
it's just uh i don't know there's to me

1160
00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:30,400
you know you know might take a

1161
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:32,560
disclosure i don't buy into any of it um

1162
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:34,640
uh everybody talks about disclosure and

1163
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:36,000
it's gonna happen and they talk about

1164
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:38,400
even the new uh ufo footage that was

1165
00:46:41,829 --> 00:46:39,760
they people always say it was released

1166
00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:41,839
by the pentagon it was not it was

1167
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:43,760
released it wasn't dependent i'm going

1168
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:45,599
to come out and say hey this is this you

1169
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:47,599
know this ufo footage is people you know

1170
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:49,200
believe in ufos and they're real and

1171
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:51,599
here here it was released by that

1172
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:53,359
organization through um

1173
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:55,200
you know to the senator through the

1174
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:57,040
senator so whether you reach really by

1175
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:58,480
the pentagon so it's not really

1176
00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:00,480
disclosure you know and there's some

1177
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:02,640
problems i have with with the

1178
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:04,640
with the uh what's the name from blink

1179
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:06,560
and and uh some of that stuff going on

1180
00:47:09,670 --> 00:47:08,560
but uh um i don't think it's a school i

1181
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:09,680
just think there's a huge interest in

1182
00:47:13,030 --> 00:47:11,680
and there there's always going to be an

1183
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:13,040
interest in this field and i just think

1184
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:14,079
it's uh

1185
00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:15,680
you know i think it's just it's good you

1186
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:16,960
know the more the better but i just

1187
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:18,400
think with all the you know engineering

1188
00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:19,520
there's all these shows that just gotten

1189
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:21,760
more it's just gotten more uh you know

1190
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:23,440
it's just gotten bigger you know since

1191
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:25,280
of all this stuff you know the internet

1192
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:26,480
and all that because we were doing stuff

1193
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:28,160
free internet you know when there was

1194
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:29,680
you know you remember being a parent and

1195
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:31,680
all that stuff right you know yeah yeah

1196
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:33,359
love paranet yeah

1197
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:36,160
i was scared of the john lear documents

1198
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:39,119
and all that i was scared of paranette

1199
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:41,200
i was i was on it all the time i know so

1200
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:42,960
was i i couldn't wait to get home from

1201
00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:45,119
work man you know what i mean i just

1202
00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:47,599
couldn't wait to sign up and and and see

1203
00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:50,720
what was what was happening there i i

1204
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:52,720
the internet was such and this is the

1205
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:55,520
truth the internet was such a scary

1206
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:58,400
place back then it was so misunderstood

1207
00:48:02,069 --> 00:48:00,400
i didn't understand it you didn't you

1208
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:02,079
know it was yeah it was just well i

1209
00:48:06,550 --> 00:48:04,079
didn't know i did 25 as a computer guy i

1210
00:48:09,910 --> 00:48:06,560
kind of pretty much this but

1211
00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:09,920
but compared to today right and so

1212
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:13,040
uh you know paranet and some of my early

1213
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:15,920
experiences on the internet i was a bit

1214
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:19,280
freaked out i i just assumed that

1215
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:20,720
somebody was watching all of my

1216
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:23,280
keystrokes i assumed somebody everybody

1217
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:25,760
knew where i lived just because i signed

1218
00:48:29,589 --> 00:48:27,920
on to paranoid i just you know i just

1219
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:29,599
assumed these things paranet really

1220
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:31,920
freaked me out i just felt like it was

1221
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:34,720
it was like the forbidden fruit right we

1222
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:36,800
weren't supposed to be sharing this kind

1223
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:39,359
of stuff you had to go out and and buy

1224
00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:41,680
stuff at at the bookstore or get the

1225
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:44,559
latest ufo magazine or dig up some kind

1226
00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:47,440
of video somewhere but not sharing this

1227
00:48:52,069 --> 00:48:49,520
stuff freely like what was happening on

1228
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:52,079
paranet back in the day you know i i

1229
00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:53,359
really

1230
00:48:55,829 --> 00:48:54,720
yeah and i know you mean the same thing

1231
00:48:57,670 --> 00:48:55,839
with me and my team and stuff because

1232
00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:57,680
like as you know i've been i've been

1233
00:49:01,109 --> 00:48:59,280
like pretty much under the radar for

1234
00:49:02,309 --> 00:49:01,119
almost 30 years because

1235
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:02,319
a lot of people don't know my name

1236
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:03,760
because of what i was doing out at area

1237
00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:05,200
51 i couldn't really

1238
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:06,640
talk about what i was doing out there

1239
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:08,160
kind of like you know

1240
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:10,240
post recordings of the secret missions

1241
00:49:13,990 --> 00:49:11,760
that i was recording out there so i had

1242
00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:14,000
to lay low key i got offered to do tons

1243
00:49:17,589 --> 00:49:16,000
of tv and stuff back in the day and i

1244
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:17,599
always had to turn it down

1245
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:19,680
you know so it's not so recently that i

1246
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:21,520
started coming out with because it's

1247
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:23,119
been like 30 years it's been after and i

1248
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:24,960
figured okay you know

1249
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:26,400
time has changed a little bit and people

1250
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:27,599
have to understand when i was doing all

1251
00:49:31,990 --> 00:49:30,240
this crazy stuff it was pre-911 so the

1252
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:32,000
security wasn't is

1253
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:33,520
is you know it was still gnarly but it

1254
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:35,520
wasn't as gnarly as it is now after 9 11

1255
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:36,960
it changed everything out there with the

1256
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:38,960
sites and every all the other bases and

1257
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:41,280
security got tightened a lot more i

1258
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:42,559
couldn't get out i couldn't get away

1259
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:44,240
with half the crap that i did back then

1260
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:45,680
that it'd do now you know that it did

1261
00:49:50,549 --> 00:49:47,599
back then that that they do out there

1262
00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:50,559
now so you know but uh um yeah it was a

1263
00:49:56,829 --> 00:49:53,119
great time yeah plus they they didn't do

1264
00:49:59,430 --> 00:49:56,839
the land grab yet so you could still get

1265
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:59,440
right yeah you could get reasonably

1266
00:50:01,990 --> 00:50:00,400
close

1267
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:02,000
you know you had to do some hiking you

1268
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:03,839
had to do some driving but if you knew

1269
00:50:07,589 --> 00:50:05,920
where to go like you did

1270
00:50:09,829 --> 00:50:07,599
you were able to take your cameras and

1271
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:09,839
all of your friends right up on

1272
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:10,800
uh

1273
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:12,720
yeah we were we were on white side but

1274
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:15,040
you know white side mountain back in 95

1275
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:18,240
and then in 94 and 93 i was climbing

1276
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:20,000
white sides and that was the first

1277
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:21,119
mountain they took they took four

1278
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:23,200
thousand acres in 95

1279
00:50:26,309 --> 00:50:24,960
and uh they basically kicked you know me

1280
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:26,319
and a couple other guys off the damn

1281
00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:27,520
mountain because i said we were throwing

1282
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:28,800
in their side they couldn't they

1283
00:50:31,589 --> 00:50:30,400
couldn't even test fly anything because

1284
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:31,599
they knew we were up on the mountain you

1285
00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:33,839
know right so we'd have our scanners up

1286
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:34,880
there and they you know they'd be

1287
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:36,240
calling the sheriffs the guards and

1288
00:50:39,030 --> 00:50:37,920
stuff and you know i'd be having my

1289
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:39,040
scanner listening and we were tapped

1290
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:40,480
into the sheriff frequency so we hear

1291
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:41,599
him call the sheriff and we'd be out of

1292
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:43,520
there before the sheriff came to get us

1293
00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:44,800
so i'd be out of that i'd be down the

1294
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:46,720
mountain and had all my cameras on my

1295
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:48,720
gear and gone you know by the time he

1296
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:49,760
got there

1297
00:50:54,790 --> 00:50:51,599
uh and then they also took freedom ridge

1298
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:54,800
which was you know uh which was uh

1299
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:57,040
in 1992 they took another 4 000 acres so

1300
00:51:01,349 --> 00:50:59,520
they took 8 000 acres total you know off

1301
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:01,359
the two closest peaks which were like a

1302
00:51:06,630 --> 00:51:04,319
12 mile throw from area 51.

1303
00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:06,640
yeah and and with the right with the

1304
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:10,160
right you know scoping binoculars or or

1305
00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:13,440
telescopes you had a straight shot right

1306
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:16,559
down into the top of area 51.

1307
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:18,079
oh yeah yeah yeah it was amazing i

1308
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:19,760
missed i missed i missed condoms now i

1309
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:21,280
missed that view man

1310
00:51:24,549 --> 00:51:22,720
it was a great view we sit up there with

1311
00:51:26,549 --> 00:51:24,559
lawn chairs you know and sit up there

1312
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:26,559
like like six seven eight hours a day

1313
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:28,720
you know monitored the base you know and

1314
00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:30,720
brought daylight and and the guards were

1315
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:32,079
right across from us on another mountain

1316
00:51:35,589 --> 00:51:34,079
range looking at us and we're looking at

1317
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:35,599
them all day long you know what i mean

1318
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:38,400
oh man yeah yeah and i used to have to

1319
00:51:42,230 --> 00:51:40,559
hide my video cameras and backpacks and

1320
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:42,240
stuff with the lens sticking out because

1321
00:51:45,430 --> 00:51:44,079
if they saw me put a camera on my

1322
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:45,440
shoulder or anything they you know they

1323
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:47,040
freak out and they call it sheriff but i

1324
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:48,400
could always tell it out of there before

1325
00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:50,559
the sheriff ever came you know

1326
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:53,200
so so now so

1327
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:54,880
so this movie

1328
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:56,640
which uh

1329
00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:00,480
was if when this community

1330
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:03,760
you know hears about jeremy corbell's uh

1331
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:06,559
lazar movie which he's had the clips of

1332
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:08,400
it up on his website extraordinary

1333
00:52:13,109 --> 00:52:10,880
release uh for for quite a long time so

1334
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:13,119
we knew the movie was coming but net

1335
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:15,359
when it became eminent and tickets were

1336
00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:17,200
announced you're writing me you know

1337
00:52:20,309 --> 00:52:18,880
church and all this we got to go do this

1338
00:52:21,589 --> 00:52:20,319
of course we were

1339
00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:21,599
but um

1340
00:52:27,750 --> 00:52:24,400
your expectations like everybody else's

1341
00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:27,760
are very very very high

1342
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:29,280
i want to

1343
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:32,559
start at the beginning here what were

1344
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:35,920
you expecting with this film not getting

1345
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:38,800
into the details but what were you what

1346
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:45,750
well i was hoping for maybe some

1347
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:47,680
you know like you know some people that

1348
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:50,160
maybe some newer you know uh

1349
00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:51,520
newer people that maybe come forward to

1350
00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:53,359
corroborate his claims or whatever that

1351
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:55,599
kind of thing right and uh i wanted to

1352
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:57,440
keep you know open-minded just kind of

1353
00:53:00,150 --> 00:52:58,800
watch it like just like watching with

1354
00:53:01,510 --> 00:53:00,160
you and just kind of you know really

1355
00:53:03,750 --> 00:53:01,520
saying nothing and just kind of wanted

1356
00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:03,760
to watch and see what it is i have to

1357
00:53:07,109 --> 00:53:05,920
take myself out of myself because a lot

1358
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:07,119
of people don't know or you know i'm a

1359
00:53:12,150 --> 00:53:09,280
film editor too so i've worked in the

1360
00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:12,160
industry since i was you know 18. so

1361
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:13,760
worked at sony worked at warner brothers

1362
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:15,280
i'm in the editor's guild i've done you

1363
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:17,040
know i've done movies commercials i have

1364
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:18,960
my own post-production business for 15

1365
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:21,040
years so i know how to do these things

1366
00:53:24,790 --> 00:53:23,040
that you know film editing and all that

1367
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:24,800
stuff so but i still took it like i'm

1368
00:53:28,630 --> 00:53:26,160
going to watch like that and i'm not

1369
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:28,640
going to like try to nitpick his film or

1370
00:53:32,069 --> 00:53:30,240
his documentary into that stuff i'm just

1371
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:32,079
gonna watch it for what it is and that's

1372
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:33,760
what i did you know

1373
00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:35,359
but i also looked at it from the lazar

1374
00:53:39,510 --> 00:53:36,240
side

1375
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:39,520
of of you know of the stories and that

1376
00:53:42,069 --> 00:53:40,880
and trying to see if there's you know

1377
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:42,079
like i said i'm still on the fence with

1378
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:43,200
him and i guess we can get more into

1379
00:53:46,630 --> 00:53:45,040
that you know

1380
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well so

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you

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or

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to stay kind of neutral to it and then

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00:54:03,190 --> 00:54:01,599
and then kind of uh

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00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:03,200
put my thoughts together today all day

1386
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:04,800
today before we did the show and i just

1387
00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:06,720
wanted to kind of assemble some notes

1388
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:08,240
and stuff so i have some notes about

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00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:10,640
some things that i think of what uh my

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00:54:15,670 --> 00:54:14,160
take of of you know of uh what

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00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:15,680
kind of might have happened with them

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00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:17,280
you know

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00:54:25,109 --> 00:54:18,240
my

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00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:25,119
knows how to frame a shot

1395
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:27,839
he's very artistic he

1396
00:54:32,549 --> 00:54:30,800
his stuff it is just so colorful and it

1397
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:32,559
just it just looks different i've

1398
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:35,280
watched every one of his movies except

1399
00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:37,440
for skinwalker i've only seen pieces of

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00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:39,200
it um

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00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:41,839
and so i knew that

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00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:44,880
that part of it was going to be covered

1403
00:54:50,790 --> 00:54:48,559
the question that i had is you have bob

1404
00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:50,800
lazar at your disposal

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00:54:56,309 --> 00:54:53,520
right you got a clean slate with bob

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00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:56,319
do you take advantage of that do we take

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00:55:02,790 --> 00:54:59,680
things to the next level and so i went

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00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:02,800
in with that expectation i thought that

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00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:04,640
it's a once-in-a-lifetime thing i don't

1410
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:06,640
think you get you get to

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00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:08,559
you're gonna get to go back to the bob

1412
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:11,440
lazar well a second time you know and do

1413
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:13,760
bob lazar part two maybe

1414
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:15,680
but i don't think so

1415
00:55:21,349 --> 00:55:18,559
and so do you let it all hang out and is

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00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:21,359
it all going to be in this film and it's

1417
00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:24,880
jeremy weaponize your curiosity okay hey

1418
00:55:30,790 --> 00:55:27,599
i i went in thinking this could be the

1419
00:55:33,270 --> 00:55:30,800
one this this could actually be the one

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00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:33,280
and that's my fault right that's my

1421
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:35,119
fault you shouldn't go in looking like

1422
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:36,480
that because

1423
00:55:43,589 --> 00:55:40,079
uh i'm i have always always

1424
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:43,599
believed bob lazar's story in its

1425
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:45,359
general sense

1426
00:55:50,470 --> 00:55:48,400
how he got there the mit

1427
00:55:52,470 --> 00:55:50,480
cal tech stuff always a big question

1428
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:52,480
mark i live in the valley pierce college

1429
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:55,200
along with you we know all of the names

1430
00:55:59,109 --> 00:55:57,119
and the things and caltech is right down

1431
00:56:00,309 --> 00:55:59,119
the street as well this is our

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00:56:03,349 --> 00:56:00,319
neighborhood

1433
00:56:05,349 --> 00:56:03,359
and so those question marks were always

1434
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:05,359
there but

1435
00:56:10,870 --> 00:56:07,920
i just wanted to uh uh

1436
00:56:13,349 --> 00:56:10,880
give bob the fair shake that he had that

1437
00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:13,359
i felt that he deserved i i watched

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00:56:18,069 --> 00:56:15,440
everything that he had done over the

1439
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:18,079
years and i thought that he could uh

1440
00:56:22,870 --> 00:56:20,640
presented a pretty convincing argument

1441
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:22,880
on on the propulsion system on what he

1442
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:25,599
saw how he got there how he got in how

1443
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:28,640
long he was there he had a w-2 he had a

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00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:31,280
badge whether he was there for a day a

1445
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:33,280
week a week day

1446
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:35,440
you know well the badge was a bad that

1447
00:56:39,349 --> 00:56:37,119
he made you know that's not the original

1448
00:56:41,829 --> 00:56:39,359
bad that's what he he he made that

1449
00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:41,839
himself a cut and paste job of what the

1450
00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:43,599
badge he wanted to show people what it

1451
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:45,839
he thought remembered it looked like so

1452
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:48,480
the badge is not original now the w-2

1453
00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:50,400
since he was my take on it since he was

1454
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:52,799
cutting and pasting the badge i think he

1455
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:55,440
might have even mocked up that w too

1456
00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:57,520
okay supposedly the social security

1457
00:57:02,150 --> 00:57:00,240
number of that w-2 belongs to a woman

1458
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:02,160
from new york yeah i've heard the same

1459
00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:03,440
thing okay

1460
00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:05,200
yeah i've heard the same thing that said

1461
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:07,920
w-2 was doctored too i you know okay

1462
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:12,240
well we'll we'll talk about that uh in a

1463
00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:13,920
little bit i need to take a break right

1464
00:57:19,349 --> 00:57:16,640
here but when we come back one of the

1465
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:19,359
things that i thought that

1466
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:20,160
uh

1467
00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:22,400
they just kind of let go last night in

1468
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:25,920
the movie spoiler alert here everybody

1469
00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:28,079
okay if you haven't seen it

1470
00:57:32,710 --> 00:57:31,119
the badge is shown in the movie front

1471
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:32,720
and back

1472
00:57:35,829 --> 00:57:34,400
not talked about

1473
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:35,839
not handled

1474
00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:38,400
but they did show the front and the back

1475
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:41,280
and i thought that we were getting ready

1476
00:57:44,549 --> 00:57:42,480
to

1477
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:44,559
you know have bob show us the badge and

1478
00:57:49,109 --> 00:57:46,319
explain it to us

1479
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:49,119
okay and it just didn't happen and i was

1480
00:57:52,309 --> 00:57:51,040
very just but i had never seen the back

1481
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:52,319
of the badge

1482
00:57:56,309 --> 00:57:54,240
before last night had you seen the back

1483
00:57:58,069 --> 00:57:56,319
of the badge

1484
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:58,079
no i actually didn't catch that part i

1485
00:58:01,510 --> 00:57:59,280
have to go through it and check it out

1486
00:58:03,510 --> 00:58:01,520
again and kept it back okay look at that

1487
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:03,520
again yeah we'll talk yeah yeah we'll

1488
00:58:08,069 --> 00:58:05,440
talk about that when we come back this

1489
00:58:10,230 --> 00:58:08,079
is black our guest tonight wolf mccarran

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00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:10,240
wolf one of the original area 51

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00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:11,440
researchers

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00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:14,079
video guys that shot area 51 back in the

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00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:16,000
day i'll be right back this is fade to

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00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:18,720
black we're doing a review on jeremy

1495
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:21,680
corbell's new film bob lazar area 51 and

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00:58:26,550 --> 00:58:23,680
flying saucers we'll be right back after

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00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:26,560
this short break stay with us

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00:58:34,829 --> 00:58:32,230
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all right welcome back fade to black i

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am your host jimmy church tonight i am

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reviewing jeremy corbell's new film bob

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01:04:02,150 --> 01:04:00,000
lazar area 51 of flying saucers with

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wolf mccarron one of the original area

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51 researchers

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we were both there last night and the

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film okay this was a spectacular event

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the hotel

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unbelievable the size the the the

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enormity of it uh it was great to

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witness and to see everybody thousands

1625
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come together well 1600

1626
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in the audience and uh the the place was

1627
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packed but jan harzan from mufon was

1628
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there uh carrie cassidy was there of

1629
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course wolff mccarron was there alex

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from estrella was there smith uh

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smith yeah yvonne smith was there

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and uh of course steve murillo

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uh was there and last night as we were

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uh

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secure team 10

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and uh that was really cool uh him and i

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had a a chance to uh actually uh chat

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for a minute

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that was that was really cool sony of

1640
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course in the orchard was there in force

1641
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but it was definitely a star-studded

1642
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event everybody from ufology

1643
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uh certainly here in los angeles was

1644
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there and

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01:05:18,870 --> 01:05:17,920
we met upstairs when uh we took over the

1646
01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:18,880
roof

1647
01:05:24,789 --> 01:05:22,480
a lot of people from out of state that

1648
01:05:27,109 --> 01:05:24,799
were coming up and saying hello

1649
01:05:27,910 --> 01:05:27,119
um i met some people from cincinnati

1650
01:05:29,589 --> 01:05:27,920
from

1651
01:05:32,150 --> 01:05:29,599
minnesota

1652
01:05:33,270 --> 01:05:32,160
south dakota washington

1653
01:05:33,990 --> 01:05:33,280
florida

1654
01:05:35,990 --> 01:05:34,000
uh

1655
01:05:38,309 --> 01:05:36,000
that that all came in from out of state

1656
01:05:40,309 --> 01:05:38,319
and and that that was very very very

1657
01:05:41,029 --> 01:05:40,319
impressive everybody had their posters

1658
01:05:47,510 --> 01:05:41,039
and

1659
01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:47,520
that part of it uh was knocked out of

1660
01:05:51,670 --> 01:05:49,200
the park there was just no question

1661
01:05:55,589 --> 01:05:51,680
about it um now

1662
01:05:57,349 --> 01:05:55,599
i started to mention wolfe that um and i

1663
01:05:59,670 --> 01:05:57,359
really want to uh

1664
01:06:01,750 --> 01:05:59,680
uh get a little bit serious here uh for

1665
01:06:03,190 --> 01:06:01,760
a second and that is

1666
01:06:04,870 --> 01:06:03,200
i

1667
01:06:08,390 --> 01:06:04,880
feel that

1668
01:06:11,349 --> 01:06:08,400
the movie was not a documentary

1669
01:06:13,190 --> 01:06:11,359
that it was a tribute

1670
01:06:15,670 --> 01:06:13,200
and there there is a difference here

1671
01:06:17,349 --> 01:06:15,680
that you know when you use the word

1672
01:06:19,510 --> 01:06:17,359
documentary

1673
01:06:22,950 --> 01:06:19,520
people make assumptions at that point

1674
01:06:24,870 --> 01:06:22,960
documentary means documents okay that's

1675
01:06:26,470 --> 01:06:24,880
what documentary means

1676
01:06:27,270 --> 01:06:26,480
and um

1677
01:06:29,750 --> 01:06:27,280
so

1678
01:06:32,549 --> 01:06:29,760
however you want to approach it

1679
01:06:36,230 --> 01:06:32,559
that's where the name came from

1680
01:06:38,150 --> 01:06:36,240
this i felt was different i i also feel

1681
01:06:39,990 --> 01:06:38,160
that it was appropriate if that's the

1682
01:06:42,950 --> 01:06:40,000
film that you want to make

1683
01:06:45,589 --> 01:06:42,960
that's that jeremy succeeded in that he

1684
01:06:48,309 --> 01:06:45,599
succeeded in making a pretty good uh

1685
01:06:50,309 --> 01:06:48,319
pretty cool tribute film when i say

1686
01:06:52,549 --> 01:06:50,319
something like that what do you think do

1687
01:06:54,309 --> 01:06:52,559
you think it was a documentary or or a

1688
01:06:55,750 --> 01:06:54,319
tribute

1689
01:06:57,270 --> 01:06:55,760
it was more like when you said like more

1690
01:07:00,230 --> 01:06:57,280
of a tribute i mean you can tell that

1691
01:07:03,349 --> 01:07:00,240
jeremy's a fanboy too of lazar i mean

1692
01:07:05,190 --> 01:07:03,359
there's no question he's a fanboy so he

1693
01:07:07,270 --> 01:07:05,200
kind of buys he was kind of buying into

1694
01:07:09,190 --> 01:07:07,280
the lazar thing you know before i think

1695
01:07:11,109 --> 01:07:09,200
he even made the thing so

1696
01:07:14,230 --> 01:07:11,119
um

1697
01:07:15,430 --> 01:07:14,240
i i did find it uh

1698
01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:15,440
um

1699
01:07:18,710 --> 01:07:17,200
that he kind of you know

1700
01:07:19,990 --> 01:07:18,720
like he said the first 45 minutes

1701
01:07:21,750 --> 01:07:20,000
nothing seemed to really happen much in

1702
01:07:23,270 --> 01:07:21,760
the movie i think it could have i think

1703
01:07:25,990 --> 01:07:23,280
the editing could have been a little

1704
01:07:27,109 --> 01:07:26,000
quicker but uh um

1705
01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:27,119
you know there's some things where he

1706
01:07:31,910 --> 01:07:29,520
kind of puts himself in the movie a

1707
01:07:33,910 --> 01:07:31,920
little too much that i thought and i

1708
01:07:35,910 --> 01:07:33,920
thought there was a lot of the old nap

1709
01:07:37,910 --> 01:07:35,920
footage that was being used with a

1710
01:07:39,510 --> 01:07:37,920
little too much too and i just i look i

1711
01:07:41,510 --> 01:07:39,520
get that you gotta tell people that

1712
01:07:43,670 --> 01:07:41,520
don't know who lazar is you know his

1713
01:07:45,430 --> 01:07:43,680
kind of background and all that and and

1714
01:07:46,870 --> 01:07:45,440
but i just thought some stuff was a

1715
01:07:48,230 --> 01:07:46,880
little long a little played out a little

1716
01:07:50,309 --> 01:07:48,240
bit too much

1717
01:07:52,710 --> 01:07:50,319
that was one of the points oh and a

1718
01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:52,720
quick disclaimer for everybody wolf and

1719
01:08:08,309 --> 01:07:53,760
i

1720
01:08:12,069 --> 01:08:08,319
uh

1721
01:08:13,829 --> 01:08:12,079
felt about it right now in real time

1722
01:08:17,669 --> 01:08:13,839
along with everybody else

1723
01:08:20,149 --> 01:08:17,679
um i i i will agree with you wolf that i

1724
01:08:23,349 --> 01:08:20,159
found myself

1725
01:08:26,070 --> 01:08:23,359
after the initial setup of the film okay

1726
01:08:27,110 --> 01:08:26,080
and you expect certain things uh which

1727
01:08:29,910 --> 01:08:27,120
is fine

1728
01:08:33,829 --> 01:08:29,920
that i was checking my watch

1729
01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:33,839
and it was a full 45 minutes

1730
01:08:41,269 --> 01:08:36,880
before it took off and running

1731
01:08:42,870 --> 01:08:41,279
and i thought that that was a bit much

1732
01:08:44,550 --> 01:08:42,880
for me it was a little bit too much

1733
01:08:47,189 --> 01:08:44,560
setup

1734
01:08:50,390 --> 01:08:47,199
that that's my take on it you're a film

1735
01:08:54,789 --> 01:08:50,400
editor why would you wait 45 minutes

1736
01:08:57,110 --> 01:08:54,799
uh to to get to something in the film

1737
01:08:58,630 --> 01:08:57,120
well i want it but uh um

1738
01:09:00,789 --> 01:08:58,640
you know it's just the way that i guess

1739
01:09:02,630 --> 01:09:00,799
his style the way that he thought you

1740
01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:02,640
know he should do it um

1741
01:09:04,550 --> 01:09:03,440
uh

1742
01:09:08,149 --> 01:09:04,560
you know i would have done it quite

1743
01:09:10,630 --> 01:09:08,159
differently um the stuff with um

1744
01:09:12,550 --> 01:09:10,640
the narrator which was mickey work

1745
01:09:14,390 --> 01:09:12,560
um you know that's that stuff seemed to

1746
01:09:17,269 --> 01:09:14,400
be once he i think he kind of pretty

1747
01:09:19,749 --> 01:09:17,279
much made the uh documentary straight

1748
01:09:21,430 --> 01:09:19,759
out and then he met mickey work and then

1749
01:09:22,870 --> 01:09:21,440
had him kind of dubbing his little lines

1750
01:09:25,349 --> 01:09:22,880
and just kind of popped those in

1751
01:09:27,189 --> 01:09:25,359
throughout the uh uh you know the rest

1752
01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:27,199
of the movie just to you know he needed

1753
01:09:30,630 --> 01:09:28,960
a name for the for the documentary and

1754
01:09:33,189 --> 01:09:30,640
that's all good and fine because you

1755
01:09:35,030 --> 01:09:33,199
need a name a name of a person to stick

1756
01:09:36,789 --> 01:09:35,040
into the movie to get get some type of

1757
01:09:40,149 --> 01:09:36,799
interest so i that that stuff's okay i'm

1758
01:09:41,829 --> 01:09:40,159
cool with that but um uh mickey work uh

1759
01:09:43,430 --> 01:09:41,839
you know you know when you hear him

1760
01:09:45,269 --> 01:09:43,440
speak he sounds like marble mouth he's

1761
01:09:46,950 --> 01:09:45,279
very hard to understand i thought there

1762
01:09:48,229 --> 01:09:46,960
should have been the subtitles because

1763
01:09:50,070 --> 01:09:48,239
it was really difficult just to hear

1764
01:09:52,229 --> 01:09:50,080
mickey work in the uh

1765
01:09:53,990 --> 01:09:52,239
the narration of the movie you know it's

1766
01:09:56,870 --> 01:09:54,000
interesting you say that because i had

1767
01:09:59,910 --> 01:09:56,880
the same uh

1768
01:10:04,310 --> 01:09:59,920
uh the same opinion and when i

1769
01:10:06,630 --> 01:10:04,320
when mickey was speaking last night uh

1770
01:10:07,990 --> 01:10:06,640
once everybody kind of saw what was

1771
01:10:09,030 --> 01:10:08,000
going on there there was a lot of

1772
01:10:11,189 --> 01:10:09,040
giggling

1773
01:10:13,030 --> 01:10:11,199
that was going on when he started to do

1774
01:10:15,110 --> 01:10:13,040
his narration because nobody could

1775
01:10:17,750 --> 01:10:15,120
understand what he was saying

1776
01:10:20,310 --> 01:10:17,760
and it was pretty interesting but this

1777
01:10:22,870 --> 01:10:20,320
is this was my take which is very

1778
01:10:24,550 --> 01:10:22,880
similar to yours again wolf and i have

1779
01:10:27,990 --> 01:10:24,560
not discussed this

1780
01:10:30,790 --> 01:10:28,000
is that it felt to me

1781
01:10:33,270 --> 01:10:30,800
that mickey rourke was an afterthought

1782
01:10:35,590 --> 01:10:33,280
and i don't mean that in a negative way

1783
01:10:37,590 --> 01:10:35,600
but you can tell that the movie was

1784
01:10:40,709 --> 01:10:37,600
finished it was done

1785
01:10:42,830 --> 01:10:40,719
and then uh i could be wrong and you and

1786
01:10:45,669 --> 01:10:42,840
i could both be wrong here but it felt

1787
01:10:48,630 --> 01:10:45,679
like mickey was brought in after the

1788
01:10:51,669 --> 01:10:48,640
fact and had his parts added to the film

1789
01:10:54,310 --> 01:10:51,679
and they didn't need to be there

1790
01:10:56,149 --> 01:10:54,320
they they just added nothing to the film

1791
01:10:58,310 --> 01:10:56,159
but this is the thing

1792
01:10:59,510 --> 01:10:58,320
once you bring in a guy like mickey

1793
01:11:01,990 --> 01:10:59,520
rourke

1794
01:11:03,990 --> 01:11:02,000
and it doesn't work out

1795
01:11:06,390 --> 01:11:04,000
how do you take him out of the film i'm

1796
01:11:08,310 --> 01:11:06,400
not going to tell mickey rourke that we

1797
01:11:11,590 --> 01:11:08,320
that we cut his parts

1798
01:11:13,910 --> 01:11:11,600
who's going to go and tell mickey rourke

1799
01:11:15,990 --> 01:11:13,920
that uh we didn't use your stuff in the

1800
01:11:19,030 --> 01:11:16,000
film so you're kind of

1801
01:11:21,750 --> 01:11:19,040
stuck in a weird uh position there i am

1802
01:11:24,790 --> 01:11:21,760
sure that and i and i mean this with

1803
01:11:27,510 --> 01:11:24,800
nothing negative towards the orchard or

1804
01:11:29,510 --> 01:11:27,520
jeremy they're not stupid guys they're

1805
01:11:31,669 --> 01:11:29,520
watching the same film and listening to

1806
01:11:33,669 --> 01:11:31,679
the same film as we are and they're

1807
01:11:36,630 --> 01:11:33,679
going oh man this

1808
01:11:37,669 --> 01:11:36,640
this this this isn't good but you're

1809
01:11:40,070 --> 01:11:37,679
stuck

1810
01:11:41,910 --> 01:11:40,080
you know it's mickey rourke and and what

1811
01:11:43,669 --> 01:11:41,920
are you going to do at that point so

1812
01:11:46,070 --> 01:11:43,679
mickey stays in

1813
01:11:47,110 --> 01:11:46,080
i that's a that's a totally i would have

1814
01:11:48,790 --> 01:11:47,120
looked i'm gonna film it and i would

1815
01:11:49,990 --> 01:11:48,800
have made him do his lines over until he

1816
01:11:52,149 --> 01:11:50,000
got it right

1817
01:11:53,990 --> 01:11:52,159
me personally yeah i mean you're an

1818
01:11:55,910 --> 01:11:54,000
audio engineer you know yeah i would

1819
01:11:57,830 --> 01:11:55,920
have made him do it over as many times

1820
01:11:59,750 --> 01:11:57,840
as he could until he got it right i

1821
01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:59,760
don't have any issues with telling any

1822
01:12:03,669 --> 01:12:01,440
singer that he didn't sing his parts

1823
01:12:05,590 --> 01:12:03,679
right that he's got to do him again

1824
01:12:07,430 --> 01:12:05,600
and uh

1825
01:12:09,189 --> 01:12:07,440
it's gotten ugly with me in the studio

1826
01:12:11,110 --> 01:12:09,199
but sometimes

1827
01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:11,120
and and you know what most people want

1828
01:12:15,189 --> 01:12:13,840
to take direction they need that you

1829
01:12:16,149 --> 01:12:15,199
know and

1830
01:12:26,310 --> 01:12:16,159
i

1831
01:12:27,750 --> 01:12:26,320
when you have uh

1832
01:12:30,310 --> 01:12:27,760
uh

1833
01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:30,320
you have an opportunity there to to take

1834
01:12:33,910 --> 01:12:32,159
advantage of a guy like mickey rourke

1835
01:12:35,590 --> 01:12:33,920
well then you make it right and if it's

1836
01:12:37,669 --> 01:12:35,600
not right take it out of the film don't

1837
01:12:40,950 --> 01:12:37,679
let it detract because

1838
01:12:44,630 --> 01:12:40,960
in the end mickey started to detract

1839
01:12:45,990 --> 01:12:44,640
from the film now i want to ask you this

1840
01:12:48,870 --> 01:12:46,000
did you think

1841
01:12:50,630 --> 01:12:48,880
the film was ready

1842
01:12:52,870 --> 01:12:50,640
right or do you think it could have

1843
01:12:56,709 --> 01:12:52,880
stayed in post for another two three

1844
01:12:59,189 --> 01:12:58,070
i don't know i think he had it ready and

1845
01:13:01,510 --> 01:12:59,199
then i think he might have added the

1846
01:13:03,669 --> 01:13:01,520
mickey after the fact that's what i

1847
01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:03,679
think but hey that's a guess you know no

1848
01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:06,560
i'm talking about over overall all of

1849
01:13:12,870 --> 01:13:09,120
the editing uh all of the audio tracks

1850
01:13:16,790 --> 01:13:14,870
yeah well i i think that you know i

1851
01:13:18,950 --> 01:13:16,800
think everybody has a different style i

1852
01:13:21,030 --> 01:13:18,960
mean he seems to be like a one-stop shop

1853
01:13:22,709 --> 01:13:21,040
kind of guy like he does you know he's

1854
01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:22,719
doing everything himself and sometimes

1855
01:13:25,430 --> 01:13:23,760
that's not

1856
01:13:27,350 --> 01:13:25,440
good like for instance i'm i'm

1857
01:13:29,669 --> 01:13:27,360
colorblind i can't colorize a movie i

1858
01:13:31,750 --> 01:13:29,679
just can't do it and i don't do it

1859
01:13:33,990 --> 01:13:31,760
because i'm not into it i'm strictly

1860
01:13:35,750 --> 01:13:34,000
into editing and i have an audio

1861
01:13:37,830 --> 01:13:35,760
experience background too because i've

1862
01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:37,840
been doing audio and video you know

1863
01:13:41,669 --> 01:13:40,159
practically uh it's just digital editing

1864
01:13:43,990 --> 01:13:41,679
started on the computers

1865
01:13:45,910 --> 01:13:44,000
uh so uh you know i still can do audio

1866
01:13:47,030 --> 01:13:45,920
too but there's always certain guys that

1867
01:13:48,390 --> 01:13:47,040
if they're good at editing they should

1868
01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:48,400
stick to editing you know there's good

1869
01:13:52,390 --> 01:13:50,400
guys that are great at shooting they're

1870
01:13:54,229 --> 01:13:52,400
great at being dps and all that stuff

1871
01:13:55,750 --> 01:13:54,239
they should stick to that these guys

1872
01:13:57,590 --> 01:13:55,760
have tried to do everything i'm a writer

1873
01:13:59,430 --> 01:13:57,600
i'm an editor it just doesn't fly to me

1874
01:14:01,669 --> 01:13:59,440
man stick to what you're doing good if

1875
01:14:04,149 --> 01:14:01,679
you can't do audio get a great audio guy

1876
01:14:05,430 --> 01:14:04,159
doing your audio you know but these guys

1877
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:05,440
are trying to do everything sometimes

1878
01:14:10,149 --> 01:14:08,320
that's when they lose things because if

1879
01:14:12,310 --> 01:14:10,159
you're a good director stick to that you

1880
01:14:13,430 --> 01:14:12,320
know you but you try to do everything it

1881
01:14:14,709 --> 01:14:13,440
just

1882
01:14:16,790 --> 01:14:14,719
there's always something that falls

1883
01:14:18,870 --> 01:14:16,800
apart if you get with my drift yeah yeah

1884
01:14:21,350 --> 01:14:18,880
and there's okay so now let's start to

1885
01:14:23,270 --> 01:14:21,360
get into the meat and potatoes here and

1886
01:14:25,110 --> 01:14:23,280
again if you haven't seen the film i'm

1887
01:14:26,950 --> 01:14:25,120
just gonna say this right now spoiler

1888
01:14:29,990 --> 01:14:26,960
alert if you don't dig it

1889
01:14:32,630 --> 01:14:30,000
just uh cover your ears

1890
01:14:34,470 --> 01:14:32,640
in the very beginning of the film and i

1891
01:14:35,830 --> 01:14:34,480
thought it was an interesting concept

1892
01:14:38,709 --> 01:14:35,840
was

1893
01:14:40,709 --> 01:14:38,719
jeremy chose to

1894
01:14:42,790 --> 01:14:40,719
have this clip with his cell phone and

1895
01:14:45,350 --> 01:14:42,800
his cell phone rings and he starts to

1896
01:14:47,669 --> 01:14:45,360
have a conversation with george knapp on

1897
01:14:50,070 --> 01:14:47,679
his speaker phone and he's holding the

1898
01:14:51,030 --> 01:14:50,080
phone up everybody um doing this for the

1899
01:14:54,229 --> 01:14:51,040
camera

1900
01:14:57,110 --> 01:14:54,239
like this and he's listening to nap

1901
01:15:00,149 --> 01:14:57,120
right on on camera and

1902
01:15:02,310 --> 01:15:00,159
and and what what this does and i

1903
01:15:05,590 --> 01:15:02,320
understand the artistic side of it

1904
01:15:07,350 --> 01:15:05,600
it starts the tone of the movie it's nap

1905
01:15:08,390 --> 01:15:07,360
talking about

1906
01:15:11,110 --> 01:15:08,400
uh

1907
01:15:12,149 --> 01:15:11,120
bob lazar and and jeremy is sitting and

1908
01:15:15,510 --> 01:15:12,159
listening

1909
01:15:17,910 --> 01:15:15,520
and okay interesting concept i i i see

1910
01:15:21,510 --> 01:15:17,920
where they're going with this

1911
01:15:23,189 --> 01:15:21,520
but that wasn't the case it wasn't just

1912
01:15:25,350 --> 01:15:23,199
one scene

1913
01:15:27,830 --> 01:15:25,360
it was continuous throughout the movie

1914
01:15:30,709 --> 01:15:27,840
probably one third of the movie

1915
01:15:32,470 --> 01:15:30,719
is jeremy holding up his phone and

1916
01:15:34,070 --> 01:15:32,480
listening to it

1917
01:15:37,030 --> 01:15:34,080
um

1918
01:15:38,470 --> 01:15:37,040
what did you think about that approach

1919
01:15:40,070 --> 01:15:38,480
i think it's okay but i just thought it

1920
01:15:41,189 --> 01:15:40,080
could have been shorter you know it

1921
01:15:43,910 --> 01:15:41,199
could have been tightened up but i

1922
01:15:45,350 --> 01:15:43,920
thought it was okay you know uh to do it

1923
01:15:47,350 --> 01:15:45,360
i just think some of the scenes were a

1924
01:15:49,510 --> 01:15:47,360
little too long that's that's my take

1925
01:15:50,790 --> 01:15:49,520
that uh you know that's about it

1926
01:15:53,350 --> 01:15:50,800
i just said it could have been tightened

1927
01:15:55,430 --> 01:15:53,360
up better you know what i mean yeah my

1928
01:15:57,750 --> 01:15:55,440
uh i think it would just yeah yeah my

1929
01:16:00,070 --> 01:15:57,760
take on that was this

1930
01:16:03,750 --> 01:16:00,080
what should have been done because once

1931
01:16:07,030 --> 01:16:03,760
you set up that it's nap on the phone

1932
01:16:09,270 --> 01:16:07,040
then take naps audio use that as as a

1933
01:16:11,590 --> 01:16:09,280
voice over right

1934
01:16:14,550 --> 01:16:11,600
vo that's your narrator

1935
01:16:17,189 --> 01:16:14,560
and then continue on with the movie but

1936
01:16:19,590 --> 01:16:17,199
you don't have to see corbell

1937
01:16:21,990 --> 01:16:19,600
staring at his phone we don't get to see

1938
01:16:24,790 --> 01:16:22,000
knapp talking right we only hear knapp's

1939
01:16:26,470 --> 01:16:24,800
voice this disembodied voice of george

1940
01:16:30,709 --> 01:16:26,480
knapp which is fine

1941
01:16:32,310 --> 01:16:30,719
but replace the visuals of jeremy

1942
01:16:33,910 --> 01:16:32,320
with bob lazar

1943
01:16:35,830 --> 01:16:33,920
and it could be anything it could be

1944
01:16:37,510 --> 01:16:35,840
pictures it could be video it could be

1945
01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:37,520
graphics it could be

1946
01:16:42,790 --> 01:16:40,480
area 51 it could be the sport model it

1947
01:16:44,870 --> 01:16:42,800
could be anything diagrams it could be

1948
01:16:47,270 --> 01:16:44,880
john lear whatever

1949
01:16:48,790 --> 01:16:47,280
but replace that so we're not looking

1950
01:16:49,750 --> 01:16:48,800
necessarily

1951
01:16:53,350 --> 01:16:49,760
at

1952
01:16:55,350 --> 01:16:53,360
minutes

1953
01:16:56,870 --> 01:16:55,360
right right i got you yeah yeah

1954
01:16:57,750 --> 01:16:56,880
yeah i think that could have been done

1955
01:17:00,630 --> 01:16:57,760
better

1956
01:17:02,310 --> 01:17:00,640
um i you know i just uh there were some

1957
01:17:03,270 --> 01:17:02,320
interesting things in the movie where he

1958
01:17:04,229 --> 01:17:03,280
um

1959
01:17:05,669 --> 01:17:04,239
uh

1960
01:17:08,070 --> 01:17:05,679
what i thought was interesting if we

1961
01:17:09,910 --> 01:17:08,080
could talk about it sure he was then

1962
01:17:11,750 --> 01:17:09,920
remember when he was his dennis uh

1963
01:17:13,510 --> 01:17:11,760
character when matt was

1964
01:17:15,189 --> 01:17:13,520
you know interviewing the

1965
01:17:16,470 --> 01:17:15,199
lazar back in the day when he was in

1966
01:17:18,310 --> 01:17:16,480
face and and

1967
01:17:20,790 --> 01:17:18,320
not black face was blacked out on the

1968
01:17:22,229 --> 01:17:20,800
screen and he was he was known as dennis

1969
01:17:24,070 --> 01:17:22,239
you know when he did say that thing

1970
01:17:26,229 --> 01:17:24,080
where he said you know he mentioned

1971
01:17:28,870 --> 01:17:26,239
about him well i might get you know

1972
01:17:31,030 --> 01:17:28,880
thrown in jail for espionage that kind

1973
01:17:32,630 --> 01:17:31,040
of clicked to me with the article that i

1974
01:17:33,669 --> 01:17:32,640
read which you read too that i sent you

1975
01:17:35,510 --> 01:17:33,679
of the the

1976
01:17:37,590 --> 01:17:35,520
the lazar story from the perspective of

1977
01:17:39,510 --> 01:17:37,600
2018 which is the new article by tom

1978
01:17:41,189 --> 01:17:39,520
mahood which a lot of people don't know

1979
01:17:43,110 --> 01:17:41,199
who he is but he's a

1980
01:17:44,950 --> 01:17:43,120
he's a he's a guy he goes back with

1981
01:17:47,350 --> 01:17:44,960
glenn campbell and uh was one of the

1982
01:17:48,870 --> 01:17:47,360
early area 51 researchers kind of like i

1983
01:17:51,590 --> 01:17:48,880
call him like the third generation guy

1984
01:17:53,750 --> 01:17:51,600
after me but uh um but he was so he was

1985
01:17:55,750 --> 01:17:53,760
a he's a physicist now for more business

1986
01:17:57,030 --> 01:17:55,760
but he was a guy that was involved with

1987
01:17:58,870 --> 01:17:57,040
a lot of the stuff with glenn campbell

1988
01:18:00,550 --> 01:17:58,880
an area 51 researcher

1989
01:18:03,189 --> 01:18:00,560
research back in the day that wrote an

1990
01:18:04,870 --> 01:18:03,199
article about what his take was on

1991
01:18:06,149 --> 01:18:04,880
lazar's background and all this kind of

1992
01:18:08,070 --> 01:18:06,159
stuff so i thought that was interesting

1993
01:18:09,030 --> 01:18:08,080
but i kind of read it on the hood

1994
01:18:12,149 --> 01:18:09,040
article

1995
01:18:13,590 --> 01:18:12,159
and uh i kind of kind of kind of side

1996
01:18:15,270 --> 01:18:13,600
with a little bit of what tom hood was

1997
01:18:16,870 --> 01:18:15,280
saying about in that article so i don't

1998
01:18:21,030 --> 01:18:16,880
know if you want to get into that now

1999
01:18:21,910 --> 01:18:21,040
what was it what what part of it

2000
01:18:24,070 --> 01:18:21,920
um

2001
01:18:25,510 --> 01:18:24,080
well you know in the early the part of

2002
01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:25,520
it like in the early days when you know

2003
01:18:29,750 --> 01:18:27,600
he took john lear out to go see the ufo

2004
01:18:31,830 --> 01:18:29,760
right on the wednesday when they went to

2005
01:18:33,510 --> 01:18:31,840
videotape the ufo i remember reading

2006
01:18:35,189 --> 01:18:33,520
back in the day that that when the czar

2007
01:18:37,430 --> 01:18:35,199
first met jonathan they were friends but

2008
01:18:39,189 --> 01:18:37,440
he kind of goofed in there about you

2009
01:18:41,510 --> 01:18:39,199
know all the leader was into this ufo

2010
01:18:43,270 --> 01:18:41,520
stuff and and lazar was kind of like

2011
01:18:44,870 --> 01:18:43,280
used to goof at him on it oh yeah this

2012
01:18:46,630 --> 01:18:44,880
is kind of you know

2013
01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:46,640
haha you know your stuff you believe in

2014
01:18:50,149 --> 01:18:48,400
that you know it's crap right now at

2015
01:18:52,390 --> 01:18:50,159
that time he didn't really tell john

2016
01:18:55,510 --> 01:18:52,400
that he was working in los alamos right

2017
01:18:58,149 --> 01:18:55,520
so he knew about these

2018
01:18:59,030 --> 01:18:58,159
these tests going on but mahoud says

2019
01:19:01,750 --> 01:18:59,040
that

2020
01:19:03,750 --> 01:19:01,760
it wasn't a ufo he was just it was he

2021
01:19:04,870 --> 01:19:03,760
he's saying that bob lazar knew that

2022
01:19:07,270 --> 01:19:04,880
they were doing

2023
01:19:09,669 --> 01:19:07,280
a particle accelerator tested area 51

2024
01:19:11,590 --> 01:19:09,679
with particle beam weapons okay

2025
01:19:13,510 --> 01:19:11,600
and that they were generating plasma

2026
01:19:15,430 --> 01:19:13,520
whatever and those those those weapons

2027
01:19:17,030 --> 01:19:15,440
are used also for radar spoofing for

2028
01:19:19,270 --> 01:19:17,040
planes and whatnot

2029
01:19:21,430 --> 01:19:19,280
uh you know where the the real sight for

2030
01:19:23,430 --> 01:19:21,440
tonopah where they have radar and they

2031
01:19:25,510 --> 01:19:23,440
jam test that you know they have russian

2032
01:19:27,750 --> 01:19:25,520
radar there you know other systems

2033
01:19:28,630 --> 01:19:27,760
throughout the uh china and when they

2034
01:19:32,310 --> 01:19:28,640
test

2035
01:19:34,149 --> 01:19:32,320
with all the stealth and stuff and see

2036
01:19:37,510 --> 01:19:34,159
if they can evade radar from russia from

2037
01:19:39,510 --> 01:19:37,520
china and iraq and whatever right so at

2038
01:19:42,550 --> 01:19:39,520
that time he's saying that lazar knew

2039
01:19:44,149 --> 01:19:42,560
that these were uh particle beam weapons

2040
01:19:46,229 --> 01:19:44,159
so he kind of brought him out there

2041
01:19:47,270 --> 01:19:46,239
he'll show you some ufos and he shoots

2042
01:19:49,510 --> 01:19:47,280
you know this

2043
01:19:51,189 --> 01:19:49,520
this particle beam weapon test

2044
01:19:53,189 --> 01:19:51,199
and then uh

2045
01:19:54,390 --> 01:19:53,199
you know lazar had to screw you off when

2046
01:19:56,229 --> 01:19:54,400
the sheriff came because he didn't want

2047
01:19:58,630 --> 01:19:56,239
to get busted right because he knew he

2048
01:20:01,430 --> 01:19:58,640
worked at the site well the guards got

2049
01:20:02,630 --> 01:20:01,440
his or the sheriff got his his id so

2050
01:20:03,830 --> 01:20:02,640
they knew

2051
01:20:05,270 --> 01:20:03,840
you know that's how it got back to

2052
01:20:07,750 --> 01:20:05,280
lasagna they knew hey this guy works

2053
01:20:10,229 --> 01:20:07,760
here so what mahoud is saying is that

2054
01:20:12,470 --> 01:20:10,239
lazar they had to tell the czar

2055
01:20:14,709 --> 01:20:12,480
um you know you either you you either

2056
01:20:16,310 --> 01:20:14,719
say that this is we want to cover up

2057
01:20:18,070 --> 01:20:16,320
this this particle we don't want this

2058
01:20:20,470 --> 01:20:18,080
out to the public that you just tell

2059
01:20:22,229 --> 01:20:20,480
people that this is a ufo you know that

2060
01:20:23,590 --> 01:20:22,239
this was they were seeing a ufo this is

2061
01:20:25,430 --> 01:20:23,600
a ufo event

2062
01:20:27,189 --> 01:20:25,440
and and it's kind of like with a if

2063
01:20:29,669 --> 01:20:27,199
anybody knows about the paul bennowitz

2064
01:20:31,750 --> 01:20:29,679
case you know where he was seeing these

2065
01:20:33,910 --> 01:20:31,760
secret things happening uh you know at

2066
01:20:35,910 --> 01:20:33,920
the air base and they started you know

2067
01:20:37,350 --> 01:20:35,920
uh telling him that he was seeing ufos

2068
01:20:38,229 --> 01:20:37,360
it's kind of like almost the reverse of

2069
01:20:41,030 --> 01:20:38,239
that you know what i'm talking about

2070
01:20:43,270 --> 01:20:41,040
right now i do i do i do well see and

2071
01:20:47,750 --> 01:20:43,280
that's and and

2072
01:20:49,030 --> 01:20:47,760
specifically in in the movie

2073
01:20:51,030 --> 01:20:49,040
jeremy

2074
01:20:54,709 --> 01:20:51,040
decided to

2075
01:20:58,830 --> 01:20:54,719
whether it's artistic license or not

2076
01:21:01,350 --> 01:20:58,840
decided to not have

2077
01:21:05,189 --> 01:21:01,360
anything combative

2078
01:21:08,630 --> 01:21:05,199
or anything that was on one side of the

2079
01:21:09,750 --> 01:21:08,640
argument all of that was avoided in the

2080
01:21:10,790 --> 01:21:09,760
movie

2081
01:21:12,630 --> 01:21:10,800
where

2082
01:21:14,709 --> 01:21:12,640
i thought that it was going to be the

2083
01:21:16,470 --> 01:21:14,719
exact opposite of that

2084
01:21:18,790 --> 01:21:16,480
and so you're bringing up you know

2085
01:21:21,110 --> 01:21:18,800
something like the particle beams um and

2086
01:21:23,750 --> 01:21:21,120
that lazar possibly knew that it was

2087
01:21:24,950 --> 01:21:23,760
particle beams and not ufos but he

2088
01:21:26,550 --> 01:21:24,960
thought he was going to impress his

2089
01:21:28,630 --> 01:21:26,560
friends and show him particle beams and

2090
01:21:30,630 --> 01:21:28,640
tell him it's ufos and it apparently

2091
01:21:32,229 --> 01:21:30,640
worked if that was the case well but

2092
01:21:33,430 --> 01:21:32,239
yeah and then they got his id and they

2093
01:21:35,590 --> 01:21:33,440
said look you're going to go to prison

2094
01:21:37,270 --> 01:21:35,600
or you you you know you say this cover

2095
01:21:39,189 --> 01:21:37,280
story or you're going to go to prison

2096
01:21:41,110 --> 01:21:39,199
but my point he did mention that's when

2097
01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:41,120
he's dennis yeah go ahead yeah but my

2098
01:21:46,229 --> 01:21:43,120
point with that is

2099
01:21:48,390 --> 01:21:46,239
the movie is void of anything

2100
01:21:49,189 --> 01:21:48,400
confrontational

2101
01:21:51,270 --> 01:21:49,199
right

2102
01:21:52,470 --> 01:21:51,280
so just like this example that you're

2103
01:21:54,790 --> 01:21:52,480
talking about

2104
01:21:57,590 --> 01:21:54,800
and so what do you think about that kind

2105
01:21:59,830 --> 01:21:57,600
of approach uh are

2106
01:22:00,950 --> 01:21:59,840
are uh are people out there gonna be

2107
01:22:03,669 --> 01:22:00,960
happy

2108
01:22:05,350 --> 01:22:03,679
with that you know are they expecting

2109
01:22:08,470 --> 01:22:05,360
something a little more offensive

2110
01:22:10,229 --> 01:22:08,480
because it is like i said it is void

2111
01:22:12,390 --> 01:22:10,239
of anything confrontational at all

2112
01:22:14,310 --> 01:22:12,400
throughout the whole movie

2113
01:22:16,070 --> 01:22:14,320
well most people that they're into lazar

2114
01:22:18,950 --> 01:22:16,080
believe the stories believe straight out

2115
01:22:21,350 --> 01:22:18,960
they don't know as much as i know about

2116
01:22:22,629 --> 01:22:21,360
51 and all this and just past history

2117
01:22:24,709 --> 01:22:22,639
and all that stuff and i look at both

2118
01:22:26,390 --> 01:22:24,719
sides dude i'm not you know when i was

2119
01:22:27,830 --> 01:22:26,400
younger i kind of believed and believed

2120
01:22:29,990 --> 01:22:27,840
a lot of the stuff but as i got older

2121
01:22:31,590 --> 01:22:30,000
and the research more i kind of became i

2122
01:22:33,590 --> 01:22:31,600
always read both sides of the story and

2123
01:22:36,390 --> 01:22:33,600
kind of take what i can into it you know

2124
01:22:38,149 --> 01:22:36,400
so it's not like i'm a i'm a

2125
01:22:40,709 --> 01:22:38,159
you know debunker or a guy like that i'm

2126
01:22:42,149 --> 01:22:40,719
not i i take both sides i i think some

2127
01:22:44,709 --> 01:22:42,159
things are conspiracies but i don't

2128
01:22:46,229 --> 01:22:44,719
think everything is a conspiracy okay a

2129
01:22:48,790 --> 01:22:46,239
lot of people in your phone field

2130
01:22:50,790 --> 01:22:48,800
believe everything is a conspiracy you

2131
01:22:54,070 --> 01:22:50,800
know no matter what and i just don't do

2132
01:22:57,350 --> 01:22:54,080
that i might say okay i believe uh uh

2133
01:22:58,709 --> 01:22:57,360
jfk was shot by uh one guy okay i

2134
01:23:00,070 --> 01:22:58,719
believe that right a lot of people say

2135
01:23:02,310 --> 01:23:00,080
oh no how can you believe that you know

2136
01:23:03,510 --> 01:23:02,320
people go crazy so there's some things

2137
01:23:05,189 --> 01:23:03,520
that i believe there are conspiracies

2138
01:23:07,110 --> 01:23:05,199
other things they don't you know

2139
01:23:08,310 --> 01:23:07,120
i i believe we went to the moon there's

2140
01:23:10,470 --> 01:23:08,320
other people that don't believe you went

2141
01:23:13,510 --> 01:23:10,480
to the moon you know so now we didn't go

2142
01:23:15,110 --> 01:23:13,520
to the moon come on you know

2143
01:23:17,430 --> 01:23:15,120
wolf do you really want to have that

2144
01:23:19,189 --> 01:23:17,440
conversation tonight all right are you

2145
01:23:21,270 --> 01:23:19,199
are you a fly are you a flat earther now

2146
01:23:22,950 --> 01:23:21,280
now you think the earth is shaped like a

2147
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:22,960
donut is that what you think no that's

2148
01:23:28,629 --> 01:23:25,440
you wolf by the way wolf is a flat

2149
01:23:31,430 --> 01:23:28,639
earther hey okay no i'm not

2150
01:23:32,629 --> 01:23:31,440
okay okay okay let's a serious hats on

2151
01:23:33,669 --> 01:23:32,639
for a second

2152
01:23:34,550 --> 01:23:33,679
um

2153
01:23:35,350 --> 01:23:34,560
but

2154
01:23:36,950 --> 01:23:35,360
uh

2155
01:23:37,990 --> 01:23:36,960
back to the movie

2156
01:23:41,270 --> 01:23:38,000
when you

2157
01:23:44,229 --> 01:23:41,280
take that approach where you are going

2158
01:23:47,270 --> 01:23:44,239
to avoid the

2159
01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:47,280
the concerns about bob lazar and you're

2160
01:23:50,950 --> 01:23:49,360
going to do that on purpose

2161
01:23:56,310 --> 01:23:50,960
is that

2162
01:23:59,590 --> 01:23:56,320
or is the movie should it just be looked

2163
01:24:00,550 --> 01:23:59,600
at as a tribute and this wasn't supposed

2164
01:24:03,910 --> 01:24:00,560
to be

2165
01:24:07,669 --> 01:24:03,920
some groundbreaking evidence documents

2166
01:24:09,430 --> 01:24:07,679
type of documentary proving bob lazar's

2167
01:24:10,950 --> 01:24:09,440
history and story

2168
01:24:12,629 --> 01:24:10,960
you know

2169
01:24:13,910 --> 01:24:12,639
yeah yeah there were some scenes where

2170
01:24:15,110 --> 01:24:13,920
he kind of pushed him near the end you

2171
01:24:17,990 --> 01:24:15,120
saw that where he kind of was trying to

2172
01:24:20,149 --> 01:24:18,000
ask him you know about the element 115

2173
01:24:22,790 --> 01:24:20,159
did he take it out of los alamos because

2174
01:24:24,310 --> 01:24:22,800
he did now right did i don't buy that

2175
01:24:25,030 --> 01:24:24,320
story a little bit because they have

2176
01:24:28,709 --> 01:24:25,040
those

2177
01:24:30,310 --> 01:24:28,719
you know

2178
01:24:32,709 --> 01:24:30,320
maybe he was able to sneak some out but

2179
01:24:34,310 --> 01:24:32,719
i mean they you know they have these uh

2180
01:24:35,669 --> 01:24:34,320
you know radiation detectors and stuff

2181
01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:35,679
i'm not really sure if you really got it

2182
01:24:40,709 --> 01:24:39,040
out or not but why is the fbi rated them

2183
01:24:42,629 --> 01:24:40,719
not once but twice you got to think

2184
01:24:44,870 --> 01:24:42,639
about that too right right right they're

2185
01:24:46,550 --> 01:24:44,880
definitely looking for element 115 what

2186
01:24:48,470 --> 01:24:46,560
are they looking for no questions what

2187
01:24:50,629 --> 01:24:48,480
do you think they're looking for

2188
01:24:54,149 --> 01:24:50,639
yeah and that's the part where bob lazar

2189
01:24:56,470 --> 01:24:54,159
becomes an enigma you know it's a very

2190
01:24:57,830 --> 01:24:56,480
very hard thing to figure out okay so

2191
01:24:59,669 --> 01:24:57,840
now we're gonna head towards a break

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01:25:02,950 --> 01:24:59,679
we're going to pick up or when we come

2193
01:25:06,870 --> 01:25:02,960
back i'm going to ask you this question

2194
01:25:10,950 --> 01:25:06,880
do you believe that bob lazar set foot

2195
01:25:12,950 --> 01:25:10,960
flew into area 51 not once or twice

2196
01:25:16,390 --> 01:25:12,960
do you think bob lazar

2197
01:25:20,550 --> 01:25:16,400
was inside of area 51 as an employee for

2198
01:25:24,070 --> 01:25:22,229
um

2199
01:25:27,110 --> 01:25:24,080
yeah because he i think he i think he

2200
01:25:28,390 --> 01:25:27,120
did get into 51 but i think i'm even nap

2201
01:25:29,669 --> 01:25:28,400
things because he did say some things

2202
01:25:31,910 --> 01:25:29,679
about the base that some people don't

2203
01:25:33,910 --> 01:25:31,920
know about that's right that's right

2204
01:25:36,790 --> 01:25:33,920
he finds kind of uh

2205
01:25:38,870 --> 01:25:36,800
uh that he was there now the the like he

2206
01:25:40,550 --> 01:25:38,880
said the papoose thing i'm

2207
01:25:42,149 --> 01:25:40,560
still on the fence with like i said we

2208
01:25:43,189 --> 01:25:42,159
you know we talked about jerry freeman

2209
01:25:45,110 --> 01:25:43,199
the hiker

2210
01:25:46,870 --> 01:25:45,120
and the lights and all that stuff i'm

2211
01:25:48,629 --> 01:25:46,880
still on the fence about that

2212
01:25:50,390 --> 01:25:48,639
i'm still on the fence about this he

2213
01:25:52,070 --> 01:25:50,400
talked about going through a gate when

2214
01:25:54,550 --> 01:25:52,080
he was on the bus and he was going to

2215
01:25:55,990 --> 01:25:54,560
papua's lake there was a gate and on all

2216
01:25:57,830 --> 01:25:56,000
the range starts and all the satellite

2217
01:26:00,149 --> 01:25:57,840
maps there is no gate

2218
01:26:02,470 --> 01:26:00,159
so i have problems with the roads that

2219
01:26:03,750 --> 01:26:02,480
go on the satellite maps go to papoose

2220
01:26:05,990 --> 01:26:03,760
so there's still a lot of things i'm on

2221
01:26:10,149 --> 01:26:06,000
the fence of the lazar too so

2222
01:26:13,590 --> 01:26:10,159
um you know it's just it just yeah yeah

2223
01:26:15,270 --> 01:26:13,600
oh you can hear me doing that

2224
01:26:17,270 --> 01:26:15,280
okay i need to stop this for a second i

2225
01:26:19,750 --> 01:26:17,280
was actually texting somebody i was

2226
01:26:21,590 --> 01:26:19,760
telling them i'm on the air right now so

2227
01:26:22,470 --> 01:26:21,600
you you heard that

2228
01:26:23,990 --> 01:26:22,480
right

2229
01:26:25,430 --> 01:26:24,000
that's pretty funny okay let's take a

2230
01:26:28,149 --> 01:26:25,440
break right here

2231
01:26:32,229 --> 01:26:28,159
and uh see this is the thing

2232
01:26:36,390 --> 01:26:33,669
which is

2233
01:26:40,470 --> 01:26:36,400
he saw things in area 51

2234
01:26:42,550 --> 01:26:40,480
that can only be seen at area 51 that we

2235
01:26:43,590 --> 01:26:42,560
found out years later

2236
01:26:46,310 --> 01:26:43,600
to be

2237
01:26:48,629 --> 01:26:46,320
pretty spot on the money and then you

2238
01:26:51,990 --> 01:26:48,639
combine that so you know that

2239
01:26:54,790 --> 01:26:52,000
bob was there you know in what capacity

2240
01:26:58,310 --> 01:26:54,800
we don't know but bob was there what did

2241
01:27:00,629 --> 01:26:58,320
he see and then he combined that with

2242
01:27:03,110 --> 01:27:00,639
papoose lake and the side of that

2243
01:27:06,070 --> 01:27:03,120
mountain and for the life of me i can't

2244
01:27:08,310 --> 01:27:06,080
see anything there and speaking of that

2245
01:27:10,709 --> 01:27:08,320
when we come back we'll talk about the

2246
01:27:13,030 --> 01:27:10,719
hand scanner which was if you're going

2247
01:27:15,270 --> 01:27:13,040
to watch this movie and look for

2248
01:27:17,669 --> 01:27:15,280
something new and breaking

2249
01:27:19,830 --> 01:27:17,679
it's the hand scanner and that scene

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01:27:22,790 --> 01:27:19,840
with bob will talk when about when we

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01:27:25,430 --> 01:27:22,800
come back but that scene with bob was

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awesome this is fade to black tonight

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reviewing jeremy corbell's new film

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bob lazar area 51 of flying saucers with

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01:27:35,590 --> 01:27:33,600
the one and only wolf mccarron we'll be

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right back after this short break stay

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so

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01:32:21,110 --> 01:32:20,070
all right welcome back fade to black i'm

2339
01:32:23,510 --> 01:32:21,120
your host jimmy church tonight we're

2340
01:32:24,390 --> 01:32:23,520
doing a review of jeremy corbell's new

2341
01:32:27,110 --> 01:32:24,400
film

2342
01:32:29,110 --> 01:32:27,120
bob lazar area 51 of flying sausage with

2343
01:32:31,270 --> 01:32:29,120
wolf mccarron who attended the premiere

2344
01:32:33,910 --> 01:32:31,280
with me sat with me

2345
01:32:37,110 --> 01:32:33,920
uh last night at the ace hotel in the

2346
01:32:38,950 --> 01:32:37,120
ace theater uh in downtown los angeles

2347
01:32:40,709 --> 01:32:38,960
now i'm going to set this up for you

2348
01:32:42,070 --> 01:32:40,719
wolf because it was a very interesting

2349
01:32:45,590 --> 01:32:42,080
moment in the film

2350
01:32:47,669 --> 01:32:45,600
there has been over the years

2351
01:32:51,110 --> 01:32:47,679
much controversy

2352
01:32:55,910 --> 01:32:51,120
uh about bob talking about the hand

2353
01:32:58,470 --> 01:32:55,920
scanner at the gate outside of sight s4

2354
01:33:00,709 --> 01:32:58,480
off of papoose lake that he had to go

2355
01:33:02,790 --> 01:33:00,719
through before getting to the hangars

2356
01:33:04,470 --> 01:33:02,800
that this infamous gate was there with

2357
01:33:05,350 --> 01:33:04,480
this hand scanner

2358
01:33:09,830 --> 01:33:05,360
now

2359
01:33:12,870 --> 01:33:09,840
people have been looking for those gates

2360
01:33:13,990 --> 01:33:12,880
in in satellite imaging for years myself

2361
01:33:15,750 --> 01:33:14,000
included

2362
01:33:18,550 --> 01:33:15,760
um i'm not saying that we would have

2363
01:33:19,350 --> 01:33:18,560
seen this infamous hand scanner

2364
01:33:21,750 --> 01:33:19,360
but

2365
01:33:25,189 --> 01:33:21,760
this has been one uh one of the quests

2366
01:33:27,350 --> 01:33:25,199
for many uh ufo researchers is is this

2367
01:33:29,590 --> 01:33:27,360
entrance to uh

2368
01:33:31,669 --> 01:33:29,600
uh the hangers at uh on the side of the

2369
01:33:32,790 --> 01:33:31,679
mountain at papoose lake now that being

2370
01:33:36,229 --> 01:33:32,800
said

2371
01:33:39,350 --> 01:33:36,239
the hand scanner was revealed last night

2372
01:33:41,030 --> 01:33:39,360
in the movie this was 45 minutes in this

2373
01:33:42,950 --> 01:33:41,040
is the moment that i was talking about

2374
01:33:45,590 --> 01:33:42,960
where we waited 45 minutes for something

2375
01:33:48,950 --> 01:33:45,600
to happen in the movie and we got it and

2376
01:33:50,950 --> 01:33:48,960
it was a big emotional moment

2377
01:33:53,030 --> 01:33:50,960
now what did you think about that when

2378
01:33:56,390 --> 01:33:53,040
bob looked at the photographs of the

2379
01:33:58,229 --> 01:33:56,400
hand scanner and his reaction uh take me

2380
01:34:00,470 --> 01:33:58,239
back i want your thoughts on that it was

2381
01:34:02,390 --> 01:34:00,480
it was pretty dramatic

2382
01:34:03,189 --> 01:34:02,400
no i thought it was pretty cool because

2383
01:34:04,629 --> 01:34:03,199
yeah

2384
01:34:07,350 --> 01:34:04,639
he has i mean he looked at you could

2385
01:34:08,629 --> 01:34:07,360
tell he was emotional about it in the uh

2386
01:34:10,229 --> 01:34:08,639
the first time he saw it he kind of

2387
01:34:12,390 --> 01:34:10,239
captured that on the on the you know

2388
01:34:14,550 --> 01:34:12,400
camera but he kind of gave him you could

2389
01:34:16,070 --> 01:34:14,560
tell bob bob kind of got busted up about

2390
01:34:17,830 --> 01:34:16,080
him he kind of felt some confirmation

2391
01:34:19,430 --> 01:34:17,840
there a little bit i felt like i seemed

2392
01:34:21,510 --> 01:34:19,440
a little bit happy about it yeah that's

2393
01:34:25,110 --> 01:34:21,520
exactly those are the words that i used

2394
01:34:27,750 --> 01:34:25,120
that he he seemed uh

2395
01:34:30,149 --> 01:34:27,760
he seemed to have a moment of peace

2396
01:34:32,870 --> 01:34:30,159
right really you could see the relief

2397
01:34:35,510 --> 01:34:32,880
yeah and he was happy

2398
01:34:38,470 --> 01:34:35,520
bob throughout the movie is not a happy

2399
01:34:40,310 --> 01:34:38,480
guy he's pretty he's pretty upset about

2400
01:34:42,229 --> 01:34:40,320
how his life turned out

2401
01:34:44,070 --> 01:34:42,239
understandably so i mean he's been

2402
01:34:44,950 --> 01:34:44,080
scrutinized for the better part of 30

2403
01:34:47,990 --> 01:34:44,960
years

2404
01:34:50,470 --> 01:34:48,000
but that was one moment in the movie

2405
01:34:53,030 --> 01:34:50,480
where you felt really connected to bob

2406
01:34:54,470 --> 01:34:53,040
and it was like finally after 30 years

2407
01:34:57,590 --> 01:34:54,480
of just people dragging me through the

2408
01:34:59,030 --> 01:34:57,600
mud he finally you know now is that

2409
01:35:01,910 --> 01:34:59,040
proof enough

2410
01:35:05,510 --> 01:35:01,920
to lift bob up and and just take

2411
01:35:08,070 --> 01:35:05,520
everything else at face value

2412
01:35:09,510 --> 01:35:08,080
no it's not but uh it was it was a good

2413
01:35:11,270 --> 01:35:09,520
moment the movie it's probably the one

2414
01:35:14,470 --> 01:35:11,280
of the best moments there yeah yeah it

2415
01:35:16,709 --> 01:35:14,480
was uh i uh i remember hearing about the

2416
01:35:19,030 --> 01:35:16,719
hand scanner well we all you know did

2417
01:35:20,870 --> 01:35:19,040
but and trying to visualize this and

2418
01:35:24,310 --> 01:35:20,880
when you go back that far into

2419
01:35:26,149 --> 01:35:24,320
technology right to 1990 91 92 when you

2420
01:35:29,030 --> 01:35:26,159
were hearing about this

2421
01:35:32,870 --> 01:35:29,040
that was stuff that was in

2422
01:35:34,870 --> 01:35:32,880
movies cheap movies too not even that

2423
01:35:37,110 --> 01:35:34,880
it was just like it was just something

2424
01:35:39,510 --> 01:35:37,120
that wasn't talked about that was

2425
01:35:41,750 --> 01:35:39,520
uh really advanced technology but he

2426
01:35:42,470 --> 01:35:41,760
talked about it and he stuck by it and

2427
01:35:45,590 --> 01:35:42,480
then

2428
01:35:47,830 --> 01:35:45,600
somehow jeremy was able to find pictures

2429
01:35:50,790 --> 01:35:47,840
of the actual hand scanners that were

2430
01:35:52,310 --> 01:35:50,800
used at area 51.

2431
01:35:54,310 --> 01:35:52,320
yeah and it was interesting too a lot of

2432
01:35:57,030 --> 01:35:54,320
people don't notice about me but when my

2433
01:35:59,510 --> 01:35:57,040
when i was when i was in uh

2434
01:36:01,669 --> 01:35:59,520
my dad worked at north of aircraft okay

2435
01:36:03,350 --> 01:36:01,679
and my dad was an accountant there and i

2436
01:36:05,830 --> 01:36:03,360
had a summer job there when i was like

2437
01:36:08,070 --> 01:36:05,840
18 and i had to go through a scanner

2438
01:36:10,709 --> 01:36:08,080
thing like that too but it didn't it

2439
01:36:12,310 --> 01:36:10,719
wasn't that exact same scanner god i

2440
01:36:14,950 --> 01:36:12,320
came from every year when i was 18 but

2441
01:36:16,550 --> 01:36:14,960
uh i think then i had to they would look

2442
01:36:18,629 --> 01:36:16,560
at my face like on camera and i had to

2443
01:36:20,229 --> 01:36:18,639
put my badge down i don't remember

2444
01:36:22,390 --> 01:36:20,239
putting my hand down but i just worked i

2445
01:36:24,950 --> 01:36:22,400
didn't work anything secret but i but it

2446
01:36:26,950 --> 01:36:24,960
was just you know access to the you know

2447
01:36:28,310 --> 01:36:26,960
to get in and but it did i remember i

2448
01:36:29,830 --> 01:36:28,320
did have to put my badge down or

2449
01:36:31,189 --> 01:36:29,840
something like that but it looked

2450
01:36:32,629 --> 01:36:31,199
nothing like that and that was probably

2451
01:36:33,750 --> 01:36:32,639
when i was in high school so that was

2452
01:36:34,629 --> 01:36:33,760
probably like

2453
01:36:37,910 --> 01:36:34,639
uh

2454
01:36:39,510 --> 01:36:37,920
god that was probably like 82 or 83 you

2455
01:36:42,709 --> 01:36:39,520
know what i mean

2456
01:36:46,310 --> 01:36:42,719
there was um uh again you know this is

2457
01:36:47,990 --> 01:36:46,320
spoiler alert stuff but i do want when

2458
01:36:50,790 --> 01:36:48,000
if you haven't seen the movie when you

2459
01:36:53,590 --> 01:36:50,800
get to these certain key points

2460
01:36:55,270 --> 01:36:53,600
uh like this hand scanner section you

2461
01:36:57,830 --> 01:36:55,280
really need to just

2462
01:36:59,910 --> 01:36:57,840
take the moment and absorb it and and

2463
01:37:01,590 --> 01:36:59,920
and just let it all you know take it all

2464
01:37:03,510 --> 01:37:01,600
in because it's a pretty pretty

2465
01:37:06,390 --> 01:37:03,520
significant point in the film

2466
01:37:08,950 --> 01:37:06,400
and then there is another uh

2467
01:37:11,430 --> 01:37:08,960
another spoiler alert i have to do this

2468
01:37:12,790 --> 01:37:11,440
there's another point in the film

2469
01:37:14,950 --> 01:37:12,800
where

2470
01:37:18,709 --> 01:37:14,960
over the years

2471
01:37:20,629 --> 01:37:18,719
not only from bob but from john lear

2472
01:37:23,430 --> 01:37:20,639
where bob

2473
01:37:26,229 --> 01:37:23,440
said and and told john lear that he had

2474
01:37:28,229 --> 01:37:26,239
seen his first alien and that his

2475
01:37:31,590 --> 01:37:28,239
comment about that and you can see this

2476
01:37:33,990 --> 01:37:31,600
in carrie cassidy's fantastic interview

2477
01:37:34,870 --> 01:37:34,000
uh that four part i think it's like four

2478
01:37:37,830 --> 01:37:34,880
parts

2479
01:37:40,229 --> 01:37:37,840
of uh of her original john lear

2480
01:37:43,430 --> 01:37:40,239
interview at john lear's home where john

2481
01:37:46,629 --> 01:37:43,440
lear says what and he said bob said yeah

2482
01:37:48,470 --> 01:37:46,639
you never forget your first alien

2483
01:37:52,390 --> 01:37:48,480
right okay

2484
01:37:55,510 --> 01:37:52,400
well it went from that testimony

2485
01:37:57,430 --> 01:37:55,520
to last night in the film

2486
01:37:59,910 --> 01:37:57,440
where i don't

2487
01:38:02,229 --> 01:37:59,920
think bob was trying to be misleading i

2488
01:38:04,709 --> 01:38:02,239
think bob was trying to set the record

2489
01:38:06,870 --> 01:38:04,719
straight or whatever but last night he

2490
01:38:09,109 --> 01:38:06,880
was very specific

2491
01:38:13,189 --> 01:38:09,119
that he thought it was a doll

2492
01:38:15,350 --> 01:38:13,199
now that's a pretty serious back pedal

2493
01:38:16,870 --> 01:38:15,360
after what we have been led to believe

2494
01:38:18,950 --> 01:38:16,880
over the years what do you think about

2495
01:38:20,709 --> 01:38:18,960
that because he was he was asked that

2496
01:38:23,590 --> 01:38:20,719
same exact question at the little alien

2497
01:38:24,950 --> 01:38:23,600
conference in 93 and back then he did

2498
01:38:26,550 --> 01:38:24,960
mention that it was really quick a

2499
01:38:28,709 --> 01:38:26,560
little millisecond half a second but he

2500
01:38:30,470 --> 01:38:28,719
did see he thought he saw something

2501
01:38:31,990 --> 01:38:30,480
of them you know when he glanced at

2502
01:38:34,790 --> 01:38:32,000
something that he thought was

2503
01:38:36,470 --> 01:38:34,800
looks like an alien you know but he said

2504
01:38:38,709 --> 01:38:36,480
it was so quick but i don't remember him

2505
01:38:41,350 --> 01:38:38,719
saying they were putting it in the seat

2506
01:38:42,950 --> 01:38:41,360
but but he did backpedal on that so for

2507
01:38:45,910 --> 01:38:42,960
him to say the stories always stay the

2508
01:38:49,510 --> 01:38:45,920
same he did change that part of it

2509
01:38:51,669 --> 01:38:49,520
and why do you think uh why do you think

2510
01:38:53,830 --> 01:38:51,679
he would champ because it's so

2511
01:38:54,709 --> 01:38:53,840
documented you know what i mean it's not

2512
01:38:56,950 --> 01:38:54,719
like

2513
01:38:59,510 --> 01:38:56,960
this is you know third party hand

2514
01:39:02,070 --> 01:38:59,520
third-hand information here this is a

2515
01:39:03,669 --> 01:39:02,080
well-documented a statement from bob and

2516
01:39:06,550 --> 01:39:03,679
one of the more more

2517
01:39:09,430 --> 01:39:06,560
uh crazy parts of his story dude saw an

2518
01:39:11,430 --> 01:39:09,440
alien right through an office window

2519
01:39:14,070 --> 01:39:11,440
yeah he said he did it in 93 but now

2520
01:39:15,510 --> 01:39:14,080
he's kind of backpedaling but he i mean

2521
01:39:17,430 --> 01:39:15,520
he did it like he said it was like a

2522
01:39:19,270 --> 01:39:17,440
glance so i don't know maybe you know

2523
01:39:21,830 --> 01:39:19,280
how you see something like that like you

2524
01:39:25,109 --> 01:39:21,840
so fast and you're not sure what it is

2525
01:39:27,350 --> 01:39:25,119
and maybe his mind is confused by uh

2526
01:39:29,590 --> 01:39:27,360
uh confabulation you know what i'm

2527
01:39:31,270 --> 01:39:29,600
talking about so

2528
01:39:33,030 --> 01:39:31,280
and how do we how

2529
01:39:34,709 --> 01:39:33,040
and maybe maybe he had to change it in

2530
01:39:36,229 --> 01:39:34,719
his mind to

2531
01:39:37,830 --> 01:39:36,239
see if he's really seen that because you

2532
01:39:39,189 --> 01:39:37,840
know how some people

2533
01:39:40,629 --> 01:39:39,199
take things into mind and change your

2534
01:39:41,990 --> 01:39:40,639
life if you're racially young or

2535
01:39:43,990 --> 01:39:42,000
whatever you know what i mean there's is

2536
01:39:45,830 --> 01:39:44,000
there's your mind kind of changes it may

2537
01:39:47,350 --> 01:39:45,840
seem it's like okay or maybe to make

2538
01:39:48,870 --> 01:39:47,360
maybe you wanted to change it to make

2539
01:39:50,310 --> 01:39:48,880
seem like it's not

2540
01:39:52,470 --> 01:39:50,320
it's not e.t

2541
01:39:54,390 --> 01:39:52,480
it's hard to say you know

2542
01:39:57,590 --> 01:39:54,400
what do you think about

2543
01:39:58,950 --> 01:39:57,600
the view that many are going to take and

2544
01:40:00,709 --> 01:39:58,960
it's kind of funny because i'm seeing

2545
01:40:02,390 --> 01:40:00,719
these comments now

2546
01:40:04,149 --> 01:40:02,400
uh popping up in twitter but i heard

2547
01:40:07,189 --> 01:40:04,159
this last night

2548
01:40:09,910 --> 01:40:07,199
um after the film as we were sitting

2549
01:40:12,229 --> 01:40:09,920
around and discussing the film with with

2550
01:40:14,070 --> 01:40:12,239
everybody that i just watched it and one

2551
01:40:15,669 --> 01:40:14,080
of the comments that kept coming up over

2552
01:40:19,990 --> 01:40:15,679
and over again

2553
01:40:21,430 --> 01:40:20,000
is that bob's mind has been messed with

2554
01:40:23,910 --> 01:40:21,440
that there are certain things that have

2555
01:40:26,070 --> 01:40:23,920
been wiped he's missing time there's

2556
01:40:29,270 --> 01:40:26,080
things now that he's imagining

2557
01:40:32,390 --> 01:40:29,280
and and some things may be distorted

2558
01:40:34,470 --> 01:40:32,400
exaggerated or taken away like

2559
01:40:36,870 --> 01:40:34,480
there's no real aspect of of what's

2560
01:40:39,030 --> 01:40:36,880
going on right now with him and

2561
01:40:40,950 --> 01:40:39,040
and we have to honestly take that into

2562
01:40:43,990 --> 01:40:40,960
consideration now that sounds like an

2563
01:40:46,470 --> 01:40:44,000
extreme but i'm not the only one saying

2564
01:40:48,390 --> 01:40:46,480
something like this am i

2565
01:40:49,910 --> 01:40:48,400
no well he did talk about you remember

2566
01:40:51,750 --> 01:40:49,920
him talking about taking a pill or

2567
01:40:54,470 --> 01:40:51,760
drinking some unknown liquid like a pine

2568
01:40:56,470 --> 01:40:54,480
salt smelling thing right when he was

2569
01:40:58,629 --> 01:40:56,480
when he was brought back in when they

2570
01:41:01,590 --> 01:40:58,639
found out that he you know that he kind

2571
01:41:03,590 --> 01:41:01,600
of breached his uh you know security

2572
01:41:06,070 --> 01:41:03,600
thing with taking those guys out to you

2573
01:41:08,390 --> 01:41:06,080
know see the ufo and all that so i think

2574
01:41:10,470 --> 01:41:08,400
that's when dennis mariani is a

2575
01:41:13,189 --> 01:41:10,480
supervisor uh you know they were

2576
01:41:14,870 --> 01:41:13,199
scolding him or whatnot you know and uh

2577
01:41:16,149 --> 01:41:14,880
so he does remember drinking something i

2578
01:41:17,350 --> 01:41:16,159
don't know if that drink had something

2579
01:41:18,709 --> 01:41:17,360
to do with his

2580
01:41:19,830 --> 01:41:18,719
his mind you know like he said there's

2581
01:41:22,470 --> 01:41:19,840
so many things that could have happened

2582
01:41:23,510 --> 01:41:22,480
to him was he under some type of mk

2583
01:41:27,910 --> 01:41:23,520
control

2584
01:41:31,109 --> 01:41:27,920
like what do we know right

2585
01:41:33,750 --> 01:41:31,119
well okay so now and and not to

2586
01:41:36,390 --> 01:41:33,760
not to drive this into the ground but

2587
01:41:38,070 --> 01:41:36,400
when he said when he did the back pedal

2588
01:41:40,070 --> 01:41:38,080
last night with the alien through the

2589
01:41:42,149 --> 01:41:40,080
window which he had drawn pictures of

2590
01:41:44,310 --> 01:41:42,159
this you know we have seen the evidence

2591
01:41:47,590 --> 01:41:44,320
he's talked about this over the years it

2592
01:41:50,070 --> 01:41:47,600
was one of the parts that uh of his

2593
01:41:51,910 --> 01:41:50,080
experiences out there that we all

2594
01:41:53,510 --> 01:41:51,920
identified with it was a you know it's

2595
01:41:55,750 --> 01:41:53,520
fantastical stop

2596
01:41:57,750 --> 01:41:55,760
for him to do the back pedal this is the

2597
01:41:59,830 --> 01:41:57,760
thing if you're gonna backpedal like

2598
01:42:02,390 --> 01:41:59,840
that in this documentary and you're

2599
01:42:04,550 --> 01:42:02,400
jeremy corbell don't you address that

2600
01:42:07,910 --> 01:42:04,560
head on in that

2601
01:42:11,109 --> 01:42:07,920
you say okay listen why

2602
01:42:13,510 --> 01:42:11,119
change your story you were steadfast

2603
01:42:16,310 --> 01:42:13,520
back then that it was an alien now

2604
01:42:18,070 --> 01:42:16,320
you're saying that it was a doll

2605
01:42:19,910 --> 01:42:18,080
are you saying back then that you were

2606
01:42:21,750 --> 01:42:19,920
just exaggerating for your friends and

2607
01:42:22,950 --> 01:42:21,760
it got out of control and it got away

2608
01:42:24,950 --> 01:42:22,960
from you

2609
01:42:27,430 --> 01:42:24,960
right is you know that's the question

2610
01:42:29,590 --> 01:42:27,440
that needs to be asked of bob why is he

2611
01:42:31,510 --> 01:42:29,600
changing his story

2612
01:42:32,870 --> 01:42:31,520
right well i was saying he didn't change

2613
01:42:33,830 --> 01:42:32,880
the story but right there he changed the

2614
01:42:36,070 --> 01:42:33,840
story

2615
01:42:37,669 --> 01:42:36,080
so what is it is he

2616
01:42:39,510 --> 01:42:37,679
is he kept the story the same or he's

2617
01:42:41,669 --> 01:42:39,520
not well you saw last night that he

2618
01:42:45,669 --> 01:42:41,679
changed the story so

2619
01:42:49,350 --> 01:42:45,679
yeah yeah yeah yeah okay and now uh back

2620
01:42:52,709 --> 01:42:49,360
to uh i want to stay on specifics here

2621
01:42:56,709 --> 01:42:52,719
one of the things about bob that i am

2622
01:43:00,950 --> 01:42:56,719
convinced that convinced that he was at

2623
01:43:03,510 --> 01:43:00,960
area 51 okay in what capacity or for how

2624
01:43:06,229 --> 01:43:03,520
long or how many days i don't know only

2625
01:43:09,669 --> 01:43:06,239
bob knows that i don't know that answer

2626
01:43:12,390 --> 01:43:09,679
but there is one thing that convinces me

2627
01:43:13,830 --> 01:43:12,400
that he was there and that was

2628
01:43:20,229 --> 01:43:13,840
the aurora

2629
01:43:22,310 --> 01:43:20,239
how he drew it how he detailed it what

2630
01:43:23,590 --> 01:43:22,320
it sounded like and where it was and how

2631
01:43:26,310 --> 01:43:23,600
it took off

2632
01:43:28,149 --> 01:43:26,320
the facts about the aurora and and the

2633
01:43:30,149 --> 01:43:28,159
details of the

2634
01:43:31,669 --> 01:43:30,159
uh the ducting of the engines and how

2635
01:43:33,270 --> 01:43:31,679
they were laid on the back didn't come

2636
01:43:37,189 --> 01:43:33,280
out for years

2637
01:43:38,390 --> 01:43:37,199
but yet he was able to pretty i mean

2638
01:43:40,390 --> 01:43:38,400
unless

2639
01:43:44,070 --> 01:43:40,400
that wasn't from imagination you can't

2640
01:43:47,270 --> 01:43:44,080
make that up and that he nailed

2641
01:43:50,790 --> 01:43:47,280
that is is that enough for you to

2642
01:43:53,430 --> 01:43:50,800
uh to admit or to yourself that he was

2643
01:43:55,910 --> 01:43:53,440
at area 51.

2644
01:43:57,430 --> 01:43:55,920
well i'm not really because we were the

2645
01:43:59,750 --> 01:43:57,440
roar is really kind of enigma kind of

2646
01:44:01,750 --> 01:43:59,760
playing too it kind of like

2647
01:44:03,430 --> 01:44:01,760
uh you know some people said it was

2648
01:44:06,550 --> 01:44:03,440
never created some people say it was a

2649
01:44:08,470 --> 01:44:06,560
mcdonald douglas bird uh it was it was

2650
01:44:10,070 --> 01:44:08,480
it was it was made it was operational

2651
01:44:11,189 --> 01:44:10,080
but then it was just wasn't picked up

2652
01:44:13,750 --> 01:44:11,199
you know how they go with boeing or

2653
01:44:14,709 --> 01:44:13,760
another manufacturer mcdonald douglas or

2654
01:44:17,750 --> 01:44:14,719
whoever

2655
01:44:21,350 --> 01:44:17,760
so uh uh the the only thing i can say

2656
01:44:22,950 --> 01:44:21,360
about that is is i did hear uh in in the

2657
01:44:25,510 --> 01:44:22,960
uh i did see

2658
01:44:26,870 --> 01:44:25,520
an object in 93 you know i was had it on

2659
01:44:28,550 --> 01:44:26,880
i had binoculars on them and it was

2660
01:44:29,910 --> 01:44:28,560
during the daytime when they're testing

2661
01:44:32,550 --> 01:44:29,920
i had the whole actually have the whole

2662
01:44:33,830 --> 01:44:32,560
mission still recorded uh when i was

2663
01:44:35,990 --> 01:44:33,840
with my partner when we were looking

2664
01:44:38,070 --> 01:44:36,000
down it's like so so this plane this

2665
01:44:38,950 --> 01:44:38,080
black stealth plane is making a bank in

2666
01:44:42,390 --> 01:44:38,960
these

2667
01:44:44,070 --> 01:44:42,400
looking at him like i'm looking down on

2668
01:44:45,510 --> 01:44:44,080
top of the plane okay

2669
01:44:47,669 --> 01:44:45,520
okay he's making the bank of the clouds

2670
01:44:49,270 --> 01:44:47,679
i got my vinyls on him and there's two

2671
01:44:50,709 --> 01:44:49,280
chaser planes they always when they

2672
01:44:52,390 --> 01:44:50,719
always test the secret aircraft they've

2673
01:44:56,070 --> 01:44:52,400
always got two chasers

2674
01:44:57,350 --> 01:44:56,080
uh you know f50s f-18s and uh and uh i'm

2675
01:44:58,790 --> 01:44:57,360
looking down on them and this thing

2676
01:45:00,950 --> 01:44:58,800
looked like a diamond almost like a

2677
01:45:03,590 --> 01:45:00,960
teardrop shaped load like a diamond

2678
01:45:05,590 --> 01:45:03,600
okay and that's this is a 93 and i

2679
01:45:07,109 --> 01:45:05,600
believe i was looking at possibly the

2680
01:45:09,990 --> 01:45:07,119
sr-72

2681
01:45:12,070 --> 01:45:10,000
which is out now okay so in 93 i was

2682
01:45:13,910 --> 01:45:12,080
also monitoring the reapers out there

2683
01:45:16,870 --> 01:45:13,920
all the drones coming from you know

2684
01:45:18,550 --> 01:45:16,880
indian springs and all that stuff so uh

2685
01:45:19,910 --> 01:45:18,560
but i believe i was kind of looking at

2686
01:45:21,109 --> 01:45:19,920
some people would call it the aurora but

2687
01:45:23,590 --> 01:45:21,119
i believe was kind of looking at the

2688
01:45:25,669 --> 01:45:23,600
sr-72 and back then they were doing

2689
01:45:27,430 --> 01:45:25,679
scramjet technology and now it's it's

2690
01:45:30,390 --> 01:45:27,440
the the

2691
01:45:32,550 --> 01:45:30,400
sr-72 is the hypersonic

2692
01:45:34,229 --> 01:45:32,560
but uh and there was one time where i

2693
01:45:36,870 --> 01:45:34,239
was out there with my partner and i did

2694
01:45:38,790 --> 01:45:36,880
hear the sky tear and it sounds like the

2695
01:45:40,870 --> 01:45:38,800
sky is tearing like somebody's ripping

2696
01:45:42,310 --> 01:45:40,880
the sky apart i didn't see the plane

2697
01:45:44,790 --> 01:45:42,320
back at that time

2698
01:45:46,870 --> 01:45:44,800
but i did hear it and uh

2699
01:45:48,470 --> 01:45:46,880
uh that's where they they call that that

2700
01:45:51,830 --> 01:45:48,480
you know the donuts on the rope kind of

2701
01:45:55,189 --> 01:45:53,270
yeah yeah

2702
01:45:56,629 --> 01:45:55,199
yeah and and i believe that's what i

2703
01:45:59,109 --> 01:45:56,639
heard out there at that time that wasn't

2704
01:46:01,430 --> 01:45:59,119
during the same time i saw the sr-72

2705
01:46:03,590 --> 01:46:01,440
where i believe in the sr-72 but that

2706
01:46:05,830 --> 01:46:03,600
was also documented in the documentary i

2707
01:46:08,070 --> 01:46:05,840
forget what show was on but it was like

2708
01:46:09,830 --> 01:46:08,080
an 89 it was a show-on where there was a

2709
01:46:11,030 --> 01:46:09,840
guy named chris jones he was an engineer

2710
01:46:13,430 --> 01:46:11,040
on like a

2711
01:46:16,229 --> 01:46:13,440
oil platform and he was working for like

2712
01:46:18,070 --> 01:46:16,239
galveston key oil or something and when

2713
01:46:21,109 --> 01:46:18,080
he described this thing in this in this

2714
01:46:22,550 --> 01:46:21,119
uh tv show i go that's the exact

2715
01:46:25,510 --> 01:46:22,560
same thing that i saw out there at area

2716
01:46:28,070 --> 01:46:25,520
51 in 1993.

2717
01:46:31,669 --> 01:46:28,080
yeah i remember that testimony

2718
01:46:34,470 --> 01:46:31,679
yeah i do i do i remember that well um

2719
01:46:36,550 --> 01:46:34,480
and and and and getting back uh

2720
01:46:37,750 --> 01:46:36,560
uh to the film

2721
01:46:43,030 --> 01:46:37,760
the uh

2722
01:46:44,709 --> 01:46:43,040
the the way that jeremy got up at the

2723
01:46:47,189 --> 01:46:44,719
front of

2724
01:46:49,910 --> 01:46:47,199
the premier and spoke to the audience

2725
01:46:51,430 --> 01:46:49,920
and again he's a really good

2726
01:46:54,790 --> 01:46:51,440
he's a really good

2727
01:46:57,030 --> 01:46:54,800
uh speaker orator um you know he's a

2728
01:46:59,030 --> 01:46:57,040
hipster kind of guy

2729
01:47:01,430 --> 01:46:59,040
likes to use you know some pretty tough

2730
01:47:02,790 --> 01:47:01,440
language and and stuff and and all the

2731
01:47:05,830 --> 01:47:02,800
and the tats

2732
01:47:07,910 --> 01:47:05,840
but but he's a good carnival barker

2733
01:47:10,070 --> 01:47:07,920
right he was able to do what i would

2734
01:47:12,550 --> 01:47:10,080
have done which is get

2735
01:47:13,910 --> 01:47:12,560
everybody up and yelling and screaming

2736
01:47:15,990 --> 01:47:13,920
and he did that yeah i thought it was

2737
01:47:18,709 --> 01:47:16,000
good yeah it was as well it was good it

2738
01:47:19,830 --> 01:47:18,719
was good and and when part of that

2739
01:47:22,390 --> 01:47:19,840
delivery

2740
01:47:25,030 --> 01:47:22,400
was that what you are about to see

2741
01:47:27,109 --> 01:47:25,040
is going to be the end all this is it

2742
01:47:28,470 --> 01:47:27,119
all questions everything's on the table

2743
01:47:31,350 --> 01:47:28,480
after tonight

2744
01:47:33,830 --> 01:47:31,360
you know bob lazar is the and and raw

2745
01:47:36,390 --> 01:47:33,840
team and it was effective man and we

2746
01:47:39,270 --> 01:47:36,400
couldn't wait for this film to start

2747
01:47:40,390 --> 01:47:39,280
by the end of the film it was very

2748
01:47:44,070 --> 01:47:40,400
apparent

2749
01:47:47,109 --> 01:47:44,080
that no questions were answered for the

2750
01:47:49,189 --> 01:47:47,119
entire film except for and it wasn't a

2751
01:47:52,709 --> 01:47:49,199
question that was answered the hand

2752
01:47:54,390 --> 01:47:52,719
scanner but everything else cleverly was

2753
01:47:56,709 --> 01:47:54,400
left out

2754
01:47:59,030 --> 01:47:56,719
now and he did mention he did mention

2755
01:48:00,310 --> 01:47:59,040
about the mike's big pen and about you

2756
01:48:01,910 --> 01:48:00,320
know no

2757
01:48:04,390 --> 01:48:01,920
wait a minute wait a minute wait a

2758
01:48:05,430 --> 01:48:04,400
minute wait a minute i had i take issue

2759
01:48:07,590 --> 01:48:05,440
with that

2760
01:48:11,109 --> 01:48:07,600
okay he brought it up

2761
01:48:11,830 --> 01:48:11,119
was mike thick pen in the film

2762
01:48:13,990 --> 01:48:11,840
no

2763
01:48:16,550 --> 01:48:14,000
what did mike think he said that he said

2764
01:48:18,550 --> 01:48:16,560
that he says this is the extras

2765
01:48:20,709 --> 01:48:18,560
there was some audio on on the uh there

2766
01:48:23,030 --> 01:48:20,719
was some audio on the coast-to-coast

2767
01:48:25,109 --> 01:48:23,040
of them talking that's right that was on

2768
01:48:27,350 --> 01:48:25,119
the interview yeah but not

2769
01:48:28,149 --> 01:48:27,360
in the movie

2770
01:48:31,189 --> 01:48:28,159
yes

2771
01:48:32,470 --> 01:48:31,199
okay and that this is critical here

2772
01:48:34,390 --> 01:48:32,480
you know

2773
01:48:36,229 --> 01:48:34,400
and so you get to the end of the movie

2774
01:48:37,350 --> 01:48:36,239
and you sit back and you say to yourself

2775
01:48:39,590 --> 01:48:37,360
wait a minute

2776
01:48:40,950 --> 01:48:39,600
corbell promised us one thing at the

2777
01:48:43,510 --> 01:48:40,960
beginning

2778
01:48:46,070 --> 01:48:43,520
and here we are at the end

2779
01:48:48,229 --> 01:48:46,080
and although it's a well-edited cool

2780
01:48:49,750 --> 01:48:48,239
tribute to bob

2781
01:48:51,910 --> 01:48:49,760
everything that you said was going to

2782
01:48:53,109 --> 01:48:51,920
happen before this movie started none of

2783
01:48:55,030 --> 01:48:53,119
it happened

2784
01:48:56,790 --> 01:48:55,040
and i i don't know why should that not

2785
01:49:02,790 --> 01:48:56,800
be in the movie and be an extra that

2786
01:49:07,189 --> 01:49:04,550
you know don't say it at all you know

2787
01:49:09,270 --> 01:49:07,199
but but did did you have the same

2788
01:49:11,270 --> 01:49:09,280
feeling that i got at the end of the

2789
01:49:12,470 --> 01:49:11,280
movie where we were told one thing in

2790
01:49:14,470 --> 01:49:12,480
the beginning

2791
01:49:16,149 --> 01:49:14,480
and then we watched the movie and it was

2792
01:49:17,830 --> 01:49:16,159
the opposite of what we thought it was

2793
01:49:19,350 --> 01:49:17,840
going to be

2794
01:49:21,430 --> 01:49:19,360
yeah a little bit yeah i got a little

2795
01:49:23,350 --> 01:49:21,440
bit of that yeah i think so

2796
01:49:25,990 --> 01:49:23,360
and well how does that make you feel

2797
01:49:30,870 --> 01:49:28,870
i feel heard

2798
01:49:32,310 --> 01:49:30,880
i just feel like i it still leaves it

2799
01:49:34,310 --> 01:49:32,320
still these questions you know that

2800
01:49:36,070 --> 01:49:34,320
lazar to me you know

2801
01:49:37,830 --> 01:49:36,080
it didn't put a nail in coffin for me or

2802
01:49:39,750 --> 01:49:37,840
anything either way you know

2803
01:49:41,430 --> 01:49:39,760
and like i said it didn't it didn't they

2804
01:49:43,030 --> 01:49:41,440
still it actually blended me to might

2805
01:49:45,830 --> 01:49:43,040
have left some more questions you know

2806
01:49:46,709 --> 01:49:45,840
yeah i kind of felt the same way so for

2807
01:49:48,070 --> 01:49:46,719
you

2808
01:49:52,629 --> 01:49:48,080
there are two

2809
01:49:56,149 --> 01:49:52,639
two kinds of people that are gonna watch

2810
01:49:57,430 --> 01:49:56,159
this film you're gonna have uh people

2811
01:50:00,709 --> 01:49:57,440
like me

2812
01:50:02,629 --> 01:50:00,719
that are bob lazar fans of which i'm one

2813
01:50:04,790 --> 01:50:02,639
right i am i i don't care what people

2814
01:50:07,990 --> 01:50:04,800
say i've always said that and i i'll

2815
01:50:09,350 --> 01:50:08,000
stick to it um i've got questions about

2816
01:50:11,990 --> 01:50:09,360
bob lazar

2817
01:50:14,629 --> 01:50:12,000
right i've got questions but i think he

2818
01:50:17,189 --> 01:50:14,639
was at area 51 and i think he saw things

2819
01:50:18,709 --> 01:50:17,199
so there's that part but then you had

2820
01:50:22,470 --> 01:50:18,719
the other

2821
01:50:25,830 --> 01:50:22,480
uh type of uh viewer of this documentary

2822
01:50:27,669 --> 01:50:25,840
that absolutely thinks he's full of crap

2823
01:50:30,229 --> 01:50:27,679
and that this movie isn't going to take

2824
01:50:32,950 --> 01:50:30,239
anybody anywhere and the only thing

2825
01:50:34,310 --> 01:50:32,960
that's going to change their mind is

2826
01:50:35,270 --> 01:50:34,320
diplomas

2827
01:50:38,870 --> 01:50:35,280
facts

2828
01:50:40,229 --> 01:50:38,880
paperwork witnesses friends professors

2829
01:50:42,390 --> 01:50:40,239
classmates

2830
01:50:44,870 --> 01:50:42,400
co-workers right the whole thing and

2831
01:50:47,109 --> 01:50:44,880
unless you don't unless that is brought

2832
01:50:50,629 --> 01:50:47,119
to the party the story's not going to

2833
01:50:54,790 --> 01:50:50,639
change right is that am i wrong in in

2834
01:50:57,750 --> 01:50:54,800
classifying those two types of viewers

2835
01:50:59,910 --> 01:50:57,760
well let's say the element 115 stuff uh

2836
01:51:01,990 --> 01:50:59,920
finally gets stable then that will that

2837
01:51:05,350 --> 01:51:02,000
will that will be something right i mean

2838
01:51:09,350 --> 01:51:05,360
you know i mean uh we know that in uh

2839
01:51:10,310 --> 01:51:09,360
2003 they discovered uh moscovium

2840
01:51:12,709 --> 01:51:10,320
right

2841
01:51:13,990 --> 01:51:12,719
and and you know and and uh that was

2842
01:51:15,590 --> 01:51:14,000
discovered like it was brought out in

2843
01:51:19,430 --> 01:51:15,600
like i think lawrence little more labs

2844
01:51:20,629 --> 01:51:19,440
in 2004 but they were able to uh

2845
01:51:22,229 --> 01:51:20,639
do that but if

2846
01:51:24,229 --> 01:51:22,239
if lazar is right they can't find an

2847
01:51:26,229 --> 01:51:24,239
isotope where they can

2848
01:51:27,590 --> 01:51:26,239
you know do what they say that element

2849
01:51:29,350 --> 01:51:27,600
what the thing that he says they can't

2850
01:51:30,870 --> 01:51:29,360
do then he'll be vindicated completely

2851
01:51:34,470 --> 01:51:30,880
right no

2852
01:51:37,350 --> 01:51:34,480
but no no no no think so no no and i'll

2853
01:51:39,750 --> 01:51:37,360
tell you why this is the thing and again

2854
01:51:42,550 --> 01:51:39,760
i'm on bob lazar's side

2855
01:51:45,109 --> 01:51:42,560
but element 115 the one that is on the

2856
01:51:47,350 --> 01:51:45,119
periodic charts right now

2857
01:51:50,149 --> 01:51:47,360
right yeah that's just an element that

2858
01:51:51,830 --> 01:51:50,159
has the number 115 on it that has

2859
01:51:55,990 --> 01:51:51,840
nothing to do

2860
01:51:59,270 --> 01:51:56,000
with this this material that was used to

2861
01:52:02,229 --> 01:51:59,280
power up this anti-gravity uh propulsion

2862
01:52:07,270 --> 01:52:04,070
who says that that's the same

2863
01:52:12,149 --> 01:52:07,280
it's just the same number that's it as

2864
01:52:14,310 --> 01:52:12,159
elements are are discovered and created

2865
01:52:16,310 --> 01:52:14,320
you know they are given a number look i

2866
01:52:18,390 --> 01:52:16,320
can say right now what's the current

2867
01:52:20,470 --> 01:52:18,400
periodic chart number

2868
01:52:24,470 --> 01:52:20,480
what's the what's the current what's the

2869
01:52:27,430 --> 01:52:24,480
last number let's go right now periodic

2870
01:52:29,990 --> 01:52:27,440
chart right table right okay so let's go

2871
01:52:33,270 --> 01:52:30,000
there right now i'm looking at it the

2872
01:52:36,550 --> 01:52:33,280
current number is

2873
01:52:37,350 --> 01:52:36,560
looks like we're up to 118.

2874
01:52:39,910 --> 01:52:37,360
okay

2875
01:52:41,430 --> 01:52:39,920
here's 115 right here an obtainium or

2876
01:52:42,470 --> 01:52:41,440
whatever it's called

2877
01:52:43,589 --> 01:52:42,480
okay

2878
01:52:45,510 --> 01:52:43,599
and so

2879
01:52:47,669 --> 01:52:45,520
uh going back

2880
01:52:49,750 --> 01:52:47,679
right now we're at 118. so i can yeah

2881
01:52:52,790 --> 01:52:49,760
one yeah one fifteenth nc which is

2882
01:52:56,470 --> 01:52:52,800
muscovian right right so i could say

2883
01:52:58,709 --> 01:52:56,480
right now hey man you know i i was with

2884
01:52:59,589 --> 01:52:58,719
these aliens and they showed me this

2885
01:53:02,310 --> 01:52:59,599
thing

2886
01:53:03,830 --> 01:53:02,320
and they were using and and and i'm with

2887
01:53:05,750 --> 01:53:03,840
another guy from the government and

2888
01:53:07,510 --> 01:53:05,760
we're all standing there together and i

2889
01:53:11,669 --> 01:53:07,520
said so man what are they using and man

2890
01:53:12,629 --> 01:53:11,679
they're using uh you know element 122.

2891
01:53:14,950 --> 01:53:12,639
really

2892
01:53:17,189 --> 01:53:14,960
yeah but it hasn't been discovered yet

2893
01:53:21,350 --> 01:53:17,199
well you know what right in in five

2894
01:53:24,550 --> 01:53:21,360
years we're gonna get to element 122 but

2895
01:53:26,629 --> 01:53:24,560
what does that have to do with me

2896
01:53:29,910 --> 01:53:26,639
right so element

2897
01:53:32,470 --> 01:53:29,920
element 115 on the periodic chart how do

2898
01:53:36,709 --> 01:53:32,480
we know that that element

2899
01:53:38,950 --> 01:53:36,719
is what bob lazar was uh uh

2900
01:53:41,669 --> 01:53:38,960
you know talking about how do we know we

2901
01:53:44,310 --> 01:53:41,679
don't we quite simply don't we're

2902
01:53:46,950 --> 01:53:44,320
confusing it the only reason why

2903
01:53:49,350 --> 01:53:46,960
is the number 115

2904
01:53:51,510 --> 01:53:49,360
you know and and and that's it so bob

2905
01:53:53,109 --> 01:53:51,520
knows just like i do now

2906
01:53:55,350 --> 01:53:53,119
right that eventually there's going to

2907
01:53:57,350 --> 01:53:55,360
be an element 122

2908
01:53:58,390 --> 01:53:57,360
that doesn't mean when it gets

2909
01:54:00,629 --> 01:53:58,400
discovered

2910
01:54:03,109 --> 01:54:00,639
that suddenly my story is correct so no

2911
01:54:06,790 --> 01:54:03,119
it doesn't validate anything what does

2912
01:54:09,990 --> 01:54:06,800
validate bob is he if he produces

2913
01:54:12,550 --> 01:54:10,000
what this element 115 what he's calling

2914
01:54:14,310 --> 01:54:12,560
element 115 is produced and then you

2915
01:54:16,470 --> 01:54:14,320
show it and then boom

2916
01:54:18,390 --> 01:54:16,480
uh and and we get to test it out and

2917
01:54:21,270 --> 01:54:18,400
check it out and and that'll be the end

2918
01:54:23,350 --> 01:54:21,280
of the story on that and he knows that

2919
01:54:26,390 --> 01:54:23,360
he knows that just whip it out whatever

2920
01:54:28,870 --> 01:54:26,400
it is wherever it is and let's go and

2921
01:54:30,470 --> 01:54:28,880
and it was it was that's what the fbi

2922
01:54:33,270 --> 01:54:30,480
was looking for again

2923
01:54:34,709 --> 01:54:33,280
well and that was a part of the film

2924
01:54:36,790 --> 01:54:34,719
that was uh

2925
01:54:39,109 --> 01:54:36,800
that was the only part that i know of in

2926
01:54:40,550 --> 01:54:39,119
the film last night that was covered up

2927
01:54:42,310 --> 01:54:40,560
well i find it interesting that that's

2928
01:54:44,149 --> 01:54:42,320
the second raid on his place that's what

2929
01:54:46,870 --> 01:54:44,159
i find interesting you know

2930
01:54:48,629 --> 01:54:46,880
uh the second raid that happened after

2931
01:54:51,189 --> 01:54:48,639
yeah i mean interview after the first

2932
01:54:53,589 --> 01:54:51,199
raid yeah yeah so it was it's really his

2933
01:54:54,470 --> 01:54:53,599
place was rated by years back too same

2934
01:54:55,990 --> 01:54:54,480
thing

2935
01:54:57,910 --> 01:54:56,000
you know well

2936
01:54:59,430 --> 01:54:57,920
he was not in michigan but he was he was

2937
01:55:01,109 --> 01:54:59,440
where was he at uh

2938
01:55:02,709 --> 01:55:01,119
well i think there was

2939
01:55:05,030 --> 01:55:02,719
one i think there was two there was one

2940
01:55:08,310 --> 01:55:05,040
in nevada or new mexico

2941
01:55:09,750 --> 01:55:08,320
uh with united nuclear and then one in

2942
01:55:11,830 --> 01:55:09,760
michigan i could be wrong it doesn't

2943
01:55:14,470 --> 01:55:11,840
matter but the the one that wolfie and i

2944
01:55:16,070 --> 01:55:14,480
are talking about now spoiler alert

2945
01:55:17,350 --> 01:55:16,080
they were doing an interview in the

2946
01:55:19,750 --> 01:55:17,360
woods

2947
01:55:23,109 --> 01:55:19,760
this secret clandestine interview is

2948
01:55:27,510 --> 01:55:23,119
good too where they're talking about 115

2949
01:55:29,910 --> 01:55:27,520
and the next day after this interview

2950
01:55:32,550 --> 01:55:29,920
bob's place gets raided and this is like

2951
01:55:34,790 --> 01:55:32,560
last year or you know it's recent while

2952
01:55:38,149 --> 01:55:34,800
they're filming the movie and they rate

2953
01:55:41,350 --> 01:55:38,159
it and during the raid allegedly

2954
01:55:44,310 --> 01:55:41,360
the fbi mentions the interview in

2955
01:55:47,750 --> 01:55:44,320
element 115 that happened the day before

2956
01:55:50,550 --> 01:55:47,760
when jeremy and bob lazar are out in the

2957
01:55:52,709 --> 01:55:50,560
middle of the woods alone shooting this

2958
01:55:53,750 --> 01:55:52,719
now that's pretty interesting if it is

2959
01:55:57,669 --> 01:55:53,760
like

2960
01:56:01,990 --> 01:55:58,709
yeah

2961
01:56:03,510 --> 01:56:02,000
i mean it is interesting like i mean why

2962
01:56:05,910 --> 01:56:03,520
are they were they still spying on bob

2963
01:56:07,750 --> 01:56:05,920
and they had to say 115. and 30 years

2964
01:56:09,109 --> 01:56:07,760
later they still think he has it

2965
01:56:10,470 --> 01:56:09,119
you know

2966
01:56:11,430 --> 01:56:10,480
the the um

2967
01:56:13,830 --> 01:56:11,440
what do you

2968
01:56:15,430 --> 01:56:13,840
like you know i i just i want a simple

2969
01:56:16,390 --> 01:56:15,440
answer on this before we get to the

2970
01:56:18,629 --> 01:56:16,400
break

2971
01:56:20,870 --> 01:56:18,639
um and you talked about this earlier and

2972
01:56:24,950 --> 01:56:20,880
we kind of blew past it do you think bob

2973
01:56:29,350 --> 01:56:28,070
i i have no idea but if uh

2974
01:56:32,149 --> 01:56:29,360
yeah i'm sure he's smart enough not to

2975
01:56:34,070 --> 01:56:32,159
keep him on this property

2976
01:56:36,229 --> 01:56:34,080
or somewhere else or maybe i would say

2977
01:56:37,270 --> 01:56:36,239
gene huff has it

2978
01:56:39,430 --> 01:56:37,280
off

2979
01:56:40,709 --> 01:56:39,440
but no i'm being serious for a second i

2980
01:56:42,629 --> 01:56:40,719
know

2981
01:56:45,910 --> 01:56:42,639
yeah

2982
01:56:47,510 --> 01:56:45,920
mean i really don't know but uh i mean

2983
01:56:50,310 --> 01:56:47,520
evidently they're still looking for it i

2984
01:56:51,510 --> 01:56:50,320
mean uh i remember when i remember when

2985
01:56:53,589 --> 01:56:51,520
uh

2986
01:56:54,870 --> 01:56:53,599
chuck clark got waited out at area 51

2987
01:56:56,470 --> 01:56:54,880
you know they took his computers and

2988
01:56:58,229 --> 01:56:56,480
everything they came and they actually

2989
01:57:00,470 --> 01:56:58,239
came in and and they were looking for

2990
01:57:02,950 --> 01:57:00,480
something if you know what i mean and uh

2991
01:57:03,990 --> 01:57:02,960
they didn't find it but uh he got raided

2992
01:57:05,669 --> 01:57:04,000
and they knew when he was going to

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you know

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that's the curious thing here and again

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it's that was through the patriot act

3001
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that was through the patriot act yeah

3002
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yeah and so this supports to me

3003
01:57:28,070 --> 01:57:26,400
this supports bob lazar's case and when

3004
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we come back we'll talk about this a bit

3005
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more in that

3006
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if there is no element 115 then what are

3007
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they looking for what do they what is it

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that they think that he has what

3009
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plutonium uranium

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i

3011
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well yeah so

3012
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does this prop up his story that's i

3013
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find it very very interesting let's take

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a break right here it says fade to black

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bob lazar area 51 of flank saucers if

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you attended or if it's seen the film

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3126
02:03:15,189 --> 02:03:13,360
okay welcome back fade to black i'm here

3127
02:03:18,229 --> 02:03:15,199
with jimmy church tonight reviewing the

3128
02:03:19,109 --> 02:03:18,239
new bob lazar movie from jeremy corbell

3129
02:03:22,629 --> 02:03:19,119
called

3130
02:03:24,470 --> 02:03:22,639
bob lazar area 51 and flying saucers

3131
02:03:25,830 --> 02:03:24,480
doing this tonight with wolf mccarron

3132
02:03:28,629 --> 02:03:25,840
we're going to jump into a different

3133
02:03:30,550 --> 02:03:28,639
subject uh on the film now

3134
02:03:32,070 --> 02:03:30,560
certainly one of the most controversial

3135
02:03:34,870 --> 02:03:32,080
parts which is

3136
02:03:37,750 --> 02:03:34,880
uh his educational background and mit

3137
02:03:39,589 --> 02:03:37,760
and caltech and before we get there i'm

3138
02:03:40,550 --> 02:03:39,599
opening up the phone lines three two

3139
02:03:41,790 --> 02:03:40,560
three

3140
02:03:47,030 --> 02:03:41,800
two seven

3141
02:03:51,589 --> 02:03:49,510
if you have seen the movie if you have

3142
02:03:55,430 --> 02:03:51,599
seen it i do want to hear from you

3143
02:03:58,709 --> 02:03:55,440
and we will uh take your uh phone calls

3144
02:04:02,310 --> 02:03:58,719
and and let's talk about it now what

3145
02:04:03,350 --> 02:04:02,320
very curious uh your thoughts on this uh

3146
02:04:06,070 --> 02:04:03,360
wolf

3147
02:04:07,189 --> 02:04:06,080
in that uh what was pointed out in the

3148
02:04:08,229 --> 02:04:07,199
movie

3149
02:04:09,510 --> 02:04:08,239
was that

3150
02:04:11,430 --> 02:04:09,520
uh

3151
02:04:16,950 --> 02:04:11,440
the mit

3152
02:04:20,390 --> 02:04:16,960
and cal tech section of bob legzar story

3153
02:04:22,629 --> 02:04:20,400
is that we are to ignore it those are

3154
02:04:25,910 --> 02:04:22,639
the words that were used in the film

3155
02:04:28,790 --> 02:04:25,920
last night what'd you think about that

3156
02:04:32,149 --> 02:04:28,800
yeah i saw that i took notes about that

3157
02:04:34,790 --> 02:04:32,159
to me it seemed like it was deflection

3158
02:04:36,470 --> 02:04:34,800
you know uh it seemed like uh you know

3159
02:04:38,470 --> 02:04:36,480
the old magic trick look at the left

3160
02:04:39,830 --> 02:04:38,480
hand with the you know look at the left

3161
02:04:41,750 --> 02:04:39,840
hand the right hand is doing something

3162
02:04:42,870 --> 02:04:41,760
else over here

3163
02:04:45,109 --> 02:04:42,880
and uh

3164
02:04:46,870 --> 02:04:45,119
and you heard bob kind of say like i

3165
02:04:48,470 --> 02:04:46,880
don't want people to talk about the mit

3166
02:04:49,910 --> 02:04:48,480
or that stuff i want them to talk about

3167
02:04:52,470 --> 02:04:49,920
the stuff that i

3168
02:04:54,229 --> 02:04:52,480
was doing at papoose or area 51 you know

3169
02:04:56,629 --> 02:04:54,239
that kind of thing the stuff that i

3170
02:04:58,790 --> 02:04:56,639
revealed he said that that is what is

3171
02:05:00,390 --> 02:04:58,800
important here and i'm looking and i'm

3172
02:05:02,310 --> 02:05:00,400
looking at that like

3173
02:05:04,149 --> 02:05:02,320
okay let's say he lied about him

3174
02:05:05,430 --> 02:05:04,159
people do lie on the resume everybody

3175
02:05:07,589 --> 02:05:05,440
knows this right there are people that

3176
02:05:09,109 --> 02:05:07,599
do lie to get jobs on their resume

3177
02:05:10,870 --> 02:05:09,119
actually what's funny is i looked up

3178
02:05:12,629 --> 02:05:10,880
that the lady that used to be the dean

3179
02:05:14,310 --> 02:05:12,639
of my mit

3180
02:05:17,270 --> 02:05:14,320
and my teacher was the dean of the

3181
02:05:19,669 --> 02:05:17,280
school she lied and the school found out

3182
02:05:22,870 --> 02:05:19,679
about her and they kicked her off so she

3183
02:05:25,910 --> 02:05:22,880
even even the old dean lied uh that was

3184
02:05:27,910 --> 02:05:25,920
actually worked at mit for years

3185
02:05:29,589 --> 02:05:27,920
so people do lie on their resumes now

3186
02:05:31,270 --> 02:05:29,599
let's say he did lie about that and okay

3187
02:05:32,709 --> 02:05:31,280
he did lie about it but he can't come

3188
02:05:34,550 --> 02:05:32,719
out now and just say okay i lied about

3189
02:05:36,229 --> 02:05:34,560
that but this stuff's real because if

3190
02:05:38,470 --> 02:05:36,239
you just say that then it's just not

3191
02:05:40,950 --> 02:05:38,480
gonna work right right so i think he's

3192
02:05:42,470 --> 02:05:40,960
trying to pooh-pooh that stuff like oh

3193
02:05:45,350 --> 02:05:42,480
we have to care about what i'm saying

3194
02:05:47,990 --> 02:05:45,360
here not about my past

3195
02:05:49,669 --> 02:05:48,000
so because he says he doesn't want if he

3196
02:05:51,030 --> 02:05:49,679
missed it he lied about it then it ruins

3197
02:05:52,629 --> 02:05:51,040
the whole story

3198
02:05:54,709 --> 02:05:52,639
you know you know what i'm saying

3199
02:05:59,109 --> 02:05:54,719
why not

3200
02:06:01,350 --> 02:05:59,119
certainly in this movie last night

3201
02:06:04,870 --> 02:06:01,360
okay

3202
02:06:07,270 --> 02:06:04,880
why not produce a diploma

3203
02:06:09,109 --> 02:06:07,280
see this is the thing

3204
02:06:11,109 --> 02:06:09,119
okay look

3205
02:06:13,750 --> 02:06:11,119
i don't care

3206
02:06:15,910 --> 02:06:13,760
where i went to school i went to so many

3207
02:06:19,350 --> 02:06:15,920
elementary schools i have forgotten some

3208
02:06:20,629 --> 02:06:19,360
of their names okay so i understand that

3209
02:06:23,510 --> 02:06:20,639
but

3210
02:06:25,589 --> 02:06:23,520
every school that i want to every class

3211
02:06:26,870 --> 02:06:25,599
i know every teacher

3212
02:06:28,550 --> 02:06:26,880
um

3213
02:06:31,030 --> 02:06:28,560
in a general sense

3214
02:06:34,629 --> 02:06:31,040
but when i get up to

3215
02:06:37,589 --> 02:06:34,639
more recent events in my life like

3216
02:06:39,910 --> 02:06:37,599
sixth grade junior high schools

3217
02:06:40,950 --> 02:06:39,920
uh certainly high schools i went to

3218
02:06:41,990 --> 02:06:40,960
three

3219
02:06:42,870 --> 02:06:42,000
um

3220
02:06:44,470 --> 02:06:42,880
and

3221
02:06:46,310 --> 02:06:44,480
uh

3222
02:06:48,709 --> 02:06:46,320
through any other

3223
02:06:50,709 --> 02:06:48,719
higher education classes that i took i

3224
02:06:51,910 --> 02:06:50,719
never graduated from anywhere okay i

3225
02:06:54,629 --> 02:06:51,920
took a lot of

3226
02:06:57,189 --> 02:06:54,639
uh uh classes that were you know

3227
02:06:59,189 --> 02:06:57,199
whatever uh extensions i did a lot of

3228
02:07:02,870 --> 02:06:59,199
that kind of stuff i can tell you every

3229
02:07:04,709 --> 02:07:02,880
teacher i have plenty of paperwork i've

3230
02:07:07,030 --> 02:07:04,719
got plenty of

3231
02:07:09,669 --> 02:07:07,040
certificates of achievement right i got

3232
02:07:12,390 --> 02:07:09,679
tons of that stuff i saved it all and

3233
02:07:15,830 --> 02:07:12,400
and any one of those teachers remembers

3234
02:07:19,030 --> 02:07:15,840
me we did projects together i can name

3235
02:07:22,470 --> 02:07:19,040
classmates and and years and everything

3236
02:07:24,470 --> 02:07:22,480
all the way up you know i can do this

3237
02:07:28,229 --> 02:07:24,480
that's the one thing

3238
02:07:30,149 --> 02:07:28,239
that bob if if all of this genuinely

3239
02:07:31,189 --> 02:07:30,159
happened it would be the easiest thing

3240
02:07:32,950 --> 02:07:31,199
to prove

3241
02:07:36,790 --> 02:07:32,960
it's the one thing you've got going for

3242
02:07:39,270 --> 02:07:36,800
you i understand uh area 51 co-workers

3243
02:07:41,910 --> 02:07:39,280
right and scientists that may be a

3244
02:07:43,430 --> 02:07:41,920
little tough to get to okay so we take

3245
02:07:44,870 --> 02:07:43,440
this i believe if you really believe

3246
02:07:46,870 --> 02:07:44,880
he's a scientist because there's like if

3247
02:07:49,109 --> 02:07:46,880
he's a scientist why aren't there any

3248
02:07:51,109 --> 02:07:49,119
okay if he said he did a thesis why why

3249
02:07:53,109 --> 02:07:51,119
wasn't anything published has he ever

3250
02:07:55,030 --> 02:07:53,119
debated other scientists

3251
02:07:56,470 --> 02:07:55,040
is he really a scientist i'm not really

3252
02:07:57,350 --> 02:07:56,480
sure about that

3253
02:07:58,950 --> 02:07:57,360
you know

3254
02:08:00,709 --> 02:07:58,960
right i mean uh

3255
02:08:03,189 --> 02:08:00,719
and even when he worked in los alamos

3256
02:08:05,910 --> 02:08:03,199
they said that he worked for kirk mayer

3257
02:08:07,830 --> 02:08:05,920
okay that he was an outside contractor

3258
02:08:09,990 --> 02:08:07,840
he didn't really work in los alamos well

3259
02:08:12,629 --> 02:08:10,000
and i did this you know this is the this

3260
02:08:14,069 --> 02:08:12,639
is the thing this is the thing uh wolf

3261
02:08:17,030 --> 02:08:14,079
when it comes to that

3262
02:08:17,830 --> 02:08:17,040
i worked at bell laboratories okay i did

3263
02:08:20,709 --> 02:08:17,840
yeah

3264
02:08:22,390 --> 02:08:20,719
as a contractor i work for a company

3265
02:08:24,790 --> 02:08:22,400
called cdi

3266
02:08:26,790 --> 02:08:24,800
i didn't work directly for bell labs i

3267
02:08:28,950 --> 02:08:26,800
worked for cdi and i worked at bell labs

3268
02:08:32,390 --> 02:08:28,960
for three years as a contractor i was an

3269
02:08:37,189 --> 02:08:32,400
outsider and it sucked right because

3270
02:08:41,910 --> 02:08:39,270
you're not a real bell labs guy but

3271
02:08:45,109 --> 02:08:41,920
anyway right that that being said

3272
02:08:47,669 --> 02:08:45,119
i can still i can name my supervisor at

3273
02:08:49,589 --> 02:08:47,679
cdi i can name my supervisor of bell

3274
02:08:51,350 --> 02:08:49,599
labs i can name all of my co-workers at

3275
02:08:53,270 --> 02:08:51,360
bell labs some of them i'm still in

3276
02:08:55,910 --> 02:08:53,280
touch with to this day

3277
02:08:58,229 --> 02:08:55,920
right i still hear me and jeremy even

3278
02:09:00,629 --> 02:08:58,239
said during the that he found the guy

3279
02:09:02,069 --> 02:09:00,639
that drove him to cal tech or whatever

3280
02:09:05,750 --> 02:09:02,079
that he interviewed and that's not even

3281
02:09:07,189 --> 02:09:05,760
in the movie no is that another extra i

3282
02:09:09,669 --> 02:09:07,199
mean you know

3283
02:09:11,270 --> 02:09:09,679
well okay so let's get back to the basic

3284
02:09:14,790 --> 02:09:11,280
point here though

3285
02:09:17,589 --> 02:09:14,800
and which is it's very simple

3286
02:09:20,069 --> 02:09:17,599
you know what year it's never sketchy

3287
02:09:21,030 --> 02:09:20,079
you know what year you graduated and you

3288
02:09:22,629 --> 02:09:21,040
have

3289
02:09:25,189 --> 02:09:22,639
the diploma

3290
02:09:28,709 --> 02:09:25,199
you can't name a professor you can't now

3291
02:09:29,589 --> 02:09:28,719
and so this is this is my concern here

3292
02:09:41,270 --> 02:09:29,599
i

3293
02:09:44,069 --> 02:09:41,280
area 51

3294
02:09:44,790 --> 02:09:44,079
i understand that just come clean about

3295
02:09:54,950 --> 02:09:44,800
it

3296
02:09:57,189 --> 02:09:54,960
cal tech i did work at area 51 and i bs

3297
02:09:58,470 --> 02:09:57,199
my way in there and i got the gig and i

3298
02:10:00,790 --> 02:09:58,480
saw things

3299
02:10:03,350 --> 02:10:00,800
there isn't anybody that would that

3300
02:10:05,669 --> 02:10:03,360
would hold anything against him because

3301
02:10:08,550 --> 02:10:05,679
it cleans up maybe he thinks it would

3302
02:10:09,750 --> 02:10:08,560
you know well yeah see and this and i'm

3303
02:10:15,430 --> 02:10:09,760
trying to

3304
02:10:19,030 --> 02:10:15,440
because when i got hired and i'm being

3305
02:10:23,430 --> 02:10:19,040
serious here when i get hired by cdi to

3306
02:10:25,750 --> 02:10:23,440
go work at bell labs i wasn't even 18.

3307
02:10:28,390 --> 02:10:25,760
no college i just got out of high school

3308
02:10:31,109 --> 02:10:28,400
i was 17 years old

3309
02:10:33,510 --> 02:10:31,119
and i turned 18 while working at bell

3310
02:10:35,990 --> 02:10:33,520
labs which freaked out everybody at the

3311
02:10:37,589 --> 02:10:36,000
laboratory i came into work one day and

3312
02:10:41,669 --> 02:10:37,599
said hey today's my birthday cool how

3313
02:10:43,430 --> 02:10:41,679
old are you 18 what right so anyway i

3314
02:10:44,390 --> 02:10:43,440
went through that but i didn't go to

3315
02:10:47,109 --> 02:10:44,400
college

3316
02:10:48,709 --> 02:10:47,119
so i can understand where the

3317
02:10:50,550 --> 02:10:48,719
credentials and everything you're not

3318
02:10:52,149 --> 02:10:50,560
presenting stuff and you get the gig

3319
02:10:54,629 --> 02:10:52,159
over at eg and g

3320
02:10:57,189 --> 02:10:54,639
and you get spirited over to area 51 and

3321
02:10:59,669 --> 02:10:57,199
you see things you don't you know after

3322
02:11:01,910 --> 02:10:59,679
the fact when bob was saying and i'm

3323
02:11:03,750 --> 02:11:01,920
just assuming these things here when you

3324
02:11:05,750 --> 02:11:03,760
start saying yeah i went to mit i'm a

3325
02:11:08,390 --> 02:11:05,760
physicist and i went to cal tech and i

3326
02:11:10,790 --> 02:11:08,400
graduated i think he got in over his

3327
02:11:13,669 --> 02:11:10,800
head that doesn't mean he didn't work at

3328
02:11:16,069 --> 02:11:13,679
at area 51 for a week or two weeks or

3329
02:11:18,470 --> 02:11:16,079
whatever that he was there but just come

3330
02:11:21,030 --> 02:11:18,480
clean about it and i thought that

3331
02:11:23,109 --> 02:11:21,040
hopefully in this movie last night and

3332
02:11:26,310 --> 02:11:23,119
we were going to see a diploma from mit

3333
02:11:28,790 --> 02:11:26,320
or caltech instead they said let's just

3334
02:11:31,350 --> 02:11:28,800
ignore it it's not the part of the story

3335
02:11:32,390 --> 02:11:31,360
that is important here and i agree with

3336
02:11:39,589 --> 02:11:32,400
that

3337
02:11:42,310 --> 02:11:39,599
dude you were living in woodland hills

3338
02:11:44,950 --> 02:11:42,320
going to pierce college where's the four

3339
02:11:47,589 --> 02:11:44,960
years or six years

3340
02:11:49,510 --> 02:11:47,599
of you living in

3341
02:11:51,109 --> 02:11:49,520
uh boston

3342
02:11:52,709 --> 02:11:51,119
right that and that's that's the

3343
02:11:55,030 --> 02:11:52,719
critical thing

3344
02:11:57,030 --> 02:11:55,040
that's it yeah if you can't if if you

3345
02:11:59,510 --> 02:11:57,040
don't even have it how did he commute

3346
02:12:03,030 --> 02:11:59,520
how did he commute there a private plane

3347
02:12:03,040 --> 02:12:11,830
he was on cher's jet

3348
02:12:14,950 --> 02:12:13,589
i'm gonna let everybody know now all of

3349
02:12:17,109 --> 02:12:14,960
the phone calls that are coming in

3350
02:12:19,030 --> 02:12:17,119
you're calling in on the wrong line

3351
02:12:20,550 --> 02:12:19,040
call in on

3352
02:12:23,189 --> 02:12:20,560
nine six nine 323-275-9695

3353
02:12:25,270 --> 02:12:23,199
or eight one eight nine two one six nine

3354
02:12:26,069 --> 02:12:25,280
two nines those are the lines that are

3355
02:12:28,069 --> 02:12:26,079
open

3356
02:12:30,550 --> 02:12:28,079
um i'm not putting anybody on hold on

3357
02:12:32,550 --> 02:12:30,560
the main lines okay so i would love to

3358
02:12:36,390 --> 02:12:32,560
hear from you but three two three two

3359
02:12:38,709 --> 02:12:36,400
seven five nine six nine five or man the

3360
02:12:41,030 --> 02:12:38,719
phone call what did i just say

3361
02:12:44,069 --> 02:12:41,040
and they just re-lined up

3362
02:12:46,229 --> 02:12:44,079
okay three two three eight two five or

3363
02:12:47,669 --> 02:12:46,239
three two three two seven five nine six

3364
02:12:51,830 --> 02:12:47,679
nine five or

3365
02:12:56,229 --> 02:12:53,030
um but

3366
02:12:58,550 --> 02:12:56,239
do you have do you have issues with that

3367
02:12:59,830 --> 02:12:58,560
is education do you think that it's

3368
02:13:02,310 --> 02:12:59,840
possible that

3369
02:13:05,189 --> 02:13:02,320
he went to caltech at mit and just

3370
02:13:07,589 --> 02:13:05,199
doesn't remember his professors names or

3371
02:13:09,109 --> 02:13:07,599
any other student or anything else that

3372
02:13:11,030 --> 02:13:09,119
happened

3373
02:13:12,870 --> 02:13:11,040
well didn't i he said give out a name

3374
02:13:15,350 --> 02:13:12,880
like dexler and i think sam freeman was

3375
02:13:16,870 --> 02:13:15,360
trying to find the guy i think that was

3376
02:13:20,149 --> 02:13:16,880
well done

3377
02:13:23,669 --> 02:13:20,159
but yeah yeah duxler was uh

3378
02:13:25,430 --> 02:13:23,679
his uh teacher at pierce college

3379
02:13:27,510 --> 02:13:25,440
all right sorry okay yeah so i don't

3380
02:13:29,030 --> 02:13:27,520
know if he gave a name of any of the uh

3381
02:13:29,830 --> 02:13:29,040
well

3382
02:13:33,109 --> 02:13:29,840
there at your

3383
02:13:36,390 --> 02:13:33,119
alien uh event

3384
02:13:40,390 --> 02:13:36,400
in 1993 he gave duxler's name and the

3385
02:13:43,270 --> 02:13:40,400
other one too half uh hoh yeah i forget

3386
02:13:45,750 --> 02:13:43,280
the other and that guy was like his his

3387
02:13:47,669 --> 02:13:45,760
vocational teacher in in

3388
02:13:50,149 --> 02:13:47,679
in junior high school they found him in

3389
02:13:51,669 --> 02:13:50,159
a yearbook but neither neither of those

3390
02:13:54,390 --> 02:13:51,679
names were

3391
02:13:56,629 --> 02:13:54,400
uh ever at cal tech or mit let's uh

3392
02:13:58,430 --> 02:13:56,639
let's take some phone calls here uh wolf

3393
02:13:59,990 --> 02:13:58,440
let's go to area code

3394
02:14:03,589 --> 02:14:00,000
512.

3395
02:14:07,750 --> 02:14:03,599
you're up on fade to black who's calling

3396
02:14:13,830 --> 02:14:09,189
you know what's funny

3397
02:14:15,589 --> 02:14:13,840
is uh um when when calls come in like

3398
02:14:19,030 --> 02:14:15,599
that and

3399
02:14:22,310 --> 02:14:19,040
it's uh dear in the headlights

3400
02:14:23,189 --> 02:14:22,320
right it's it's just really funny so uh

3401
02:14:26,149 --> 02:14:23,199
but

3402
02:14:27,669 --> 02:14:26,159
not about stanton or or anybody else

3403
02:14:29,910 --> 02:14:27,679
that's done research into this i'm

3404
02:14:32,870 --> 02:14:29,920
specifically asking you wolf

3405
02:14:35,109 --> 02:14:32,880
um were you expecting some educational

3406
02:14:37,030 --> 02:14:35,119
credentials to uh finally surface in the

3407
02:14:39,109 --> 02:14:37,040
movie

3408
02:14:40,709 --> 02:14:39,119
well yeah that would have been nice i i

3409
02:14:42,390 --> 02:14:40,719
would see i was hoping

3410
02:14:44,069 --> 02:14:42,400
something like that would have happened

3411
02:14:45,589 --> 02:14:44,079
i mean i was kind of

3412
02:14:47,510 --> 02:14:45,599
i think it was kind of neat about the

3413
02:14:48,790 --> 02:14:47,520
mike pigpen thing finding that that was

3414
02:14:50,709 --> 02:14:48,800
kind of cool but they didn't really have

3415
02:14:52,229 --> 02:14:50,719
him on camera or

3416
02:14:54,310 --> 02:14:52,239
uh he didn't want to be on camera but

3417
02:14:55,910 --> 02:14:54,320
they didn't have they did have some

3418
02:14:57,109 --> 02:14:55,920
audio on the coaster kosher but they

3419
02:14:58,229 --> 02:14:57,119
didn't have it they didn't use it in the

3420
02:14:59,270 --> 02:14:58,239
movie so i thought that was kind of

3421
02:15:00,390 --> 02:14:59,280
strange

3422
02:15:02,069 --> 02:15:00,400
but uh

3423
02:15:03,669 --> 02:15:02,079
um yeah something like that would have

3424
02:15:05,669 --> 02:15:03,679
been nice but uh

3425
02:15:08,069 --> 02:15:05,679
like i said i don't know the movie the

3426
02:15:09,750 --> 02:15:08,079
movie movie just left me with more more

3427
02:15:13,350 --> 02:15:09,760
questions i think you know

3428
02:15:14,470 --> 02:15:13,360
what do you think um when we look at

3429
02:15:18,390 --> 02:15:14,480
uh

3430
02:15:19,350 --> 02:15:18,400
lately

3431
02:15:23,109 --> 02:15:19,360
where

3432
02:15:26,229 --> 02:15:23,119
they seem to be focused on

3433
02:15:27,830 --> 02:15:26,239
the opposite of you or i

3434
02:15:29,669 --> 02:15:27,840
in that

3435
02:15:31,669 --> 02:15:29,679
a movie

3436
02:15:33,990 --> 02:15:31,679
would have to have a lot of information

3437
02:15:35,430 --> 02:15:34,000
in it for you to go whoa i didn't know

3438
02:15:38,149 --> 02:15:35,440
any of this

3439
02:15:40,950 --> 02:15:38,159
right it would have to be a just a crazy

3440
02:15:43,189 --> 02:15:40,960
amount of just secret never

3441
02:15:46,149 --> 02:15:43,199
revealed before stuff

3442
02:15:49,030 --> 02:15:46,159
and i understand that but these movies

3443
02:15:51,830 --> 02:15:49,040
seem to be dumbed down quite a bit

3444
02:15:55,750 --> 02:15:51,840
uh is it done to just get this subject

3445
02:15:57,189 --> 02:15:55,760
out to as many people as possible

3446
02:15:59,430 --> 02:15:57,199
well i don't know i think he could have

3447
02:16:01,589 --> 02:15:59,440
po it could have kind of topped bob into

3448
02:16:03,109 --> 02:16:01,599
making this movie too because

3449
02:16:05,030 --> 02:16:03,119
as you know like you know all the early

3450
02:16:06,950 --> 02:16:05,040
stuff bob did you know ufos in the

3451
02:16:08,629 --> 02:16:06,960
government bible and all that stuff you

3452
02:16:10,629 --> 02:16:08,639
know back then the quality was crappy

3453
02:16:12,950 --> 02:16:10,639
was like vhs or super vhs we didn't have

3454
02:16:14,870 --> 02:16:12,960
hd and all this stuff and it's been 30

3455
02:16:16,629 --> 02:16:14,880
years and you know as well as i do they

3456
02:16:18,069 --> 02:16:16,639
they can take movies every 10 years they

3457
02:16:19,430 --> 02:16:18,079
just came out with robin hood and every

3458
02:16:22,069 --> 02:16:19,440
10 years they can make another robin

3459
02:16:24,790 --> 02:16:22,079
hood because you know

3460
02:16:26,950 --> 02:16:24,800
you know people the the you know the age

3461
02:16:28,950 --> 02:16:26,960
range changes all the time so

3462
02:16:30,950 --> 02:16:28,960
they can always rehash everything like

3463
02:16:33,349 --> 02:16:30,960
every 10 years so maybe those aren't

3464
02:16:36,070 --> 02:16:33,359
just thought like hey it's been 30 years

3465
02:16:37,669 --> 02:16:36,080
uh i want something to just you know

3466
02:16:39,669 --> 02:16:37,679
i've gotten older and i just want to put

3467
02:16:42,309 --> 02:16:39,679
it out there again so maybe a newer

3468
02:16:43,990 --> 02:16:42,319
generation can know who he is about too

3469
02:16:45,669 --> 02:16:44,000
about it too and i just put it out that

3470
02:16:47,669 --> 02:16:45,679
way but i think it will give it to a lot

3471
02:16:50,070 --> 02:16:47,679
of the people that didn't know about him

3472
02:16:52,070 --> 02:16:50,080
especially the ancient alien people fans

3473
02:16:53,190 --> 02:16:52,080
or whatever that do nothing about it or

3474
02:16:55,110 --> 02:16:53,200
give a different take and a different

3475
02:16:56,629 --> 02:16:55,120
spin and they'll kind of know who the

3476
02:16:57,589 --> 02:16:56,639
czar is in so it gives them a little bit

3477
02:16:59,349 --> 02:16:57,599
more

3478
02:17:01,190 --> 02:16:59,359
you know like a newer outlook on the on

3479
02:17:03,509 --> 02:17:01,200
the whole thing you know so

3480
02:17:05,830 --> 02:17:03,519
that's interesting that you say that

3481
02:17:07,830 --> 02:17:05,840
maybe he had to be talked into this

3482
02:17:09,990 --> 02:17:07,840
because that is always i think it's on

3483
02:17:12,389 --> 02:17:10,000
the front of everybody's mind why now

3484
02:17:13,830 --> 02:17:12,399
why why is bob coming out

3485
02:17:15,429 --> 02:17:13,840
yeah what's the end what's the end game

3486
02:17:17,429 --> 02:17:15,439
what's the end game right i totally

3487
02:17:19,750 --> 02:17:17,439
agree with that let's go to area code

3488
02:17:23,110 --> 02:17:19,760
323 right here in los angeles you're up

3489
02:17:29,030 --> 02:17:25,190
you're live

3490
02:17:30,309 --> 02:17:29,040
jimmy church alex miss strata hey alex

3491
02:17:33,669 --> 02:17:30,319
hey

3492
02:17:34,950 --> 02:17:33,679
my buddy alex hi there buddy oh man

3493
02:17:38,629 --> 02:17:34,960
that's like i've seen you guys in

3494
02:17:43,190 --> 02:17:40,629
alex welcome welcome to the show my

3495
02:17:46,309 --> 02:17:43,200
friend and uh okay

3496
02:17:49,110 --> 02:17:46,319
uh thoughts uh after after the movie

3497
02:17:51,270 --> 02:17:49,120
last night and again i haven't seen you

3498
02:17:53,509 --> 02:17:51,280
uh since right before the movie i didn't

3499
02:17:55,429 --> 02:17:53,519
even see you after the movie so

3500
02:17:57,110 --> 02:17:55,439
uh it's my first chance to ask you what

3501
02:17:59,429 --> 02:17:57,120
did you think

3502
02:18:00,629 --> 02:17:59,439
i thought it was a nice homage to bob

3503
02:18:02,070 --> 02:18:00,639
lazar

3504
02:18:04,309 --> 02:18:02,080
and it was a good george knapp

3505
02:18:06,230 --> 02:18:04,319
documentary

3506
02:18:07,429 --> 02:18:06,240
you know but again i mean i think i

3507
02:18:08,709 --> 02:18:07,439
agree with everything you've been saying

3508
02:18:12,549 --> 02:18:08,719
and i hate to agree with people as you

3509
02:18:12,559 --> 02:18:16,709
and wolf especially

3510
02:18:20,469 --> 02:18:18,389
we're not the target audience for this

3511
02:18:22,549 --> 02:18:20,479
you know i think it's there it's more

3512
02:18:24,549 --> 02:18:22,559
for i think and i don't want to use word

3513
02:18:26,070 --> 02:18:24,559
fanboy negatively because it's not but i

3514
02:18:27,110 --> 02:18:26,080
think it's more geared towards i think

3515
02:18:29,030 --> 02:18:27,120
people that

3516
02:18:30,629 --> 02:18:29,040
they're fanboys they're like want to be

3517
02:18:32,309 --> 02:18:30,639
entertained that you know

3518
02:18:34,070 --> 02:18:32,319
i've been following bob lazar for years

3519
02:18:35,830 --> 02:18:34,080
and they love the guy but from a

3520
02:18:37,030 --> 02:18:35,840
research standpoint we didn't really get

3521
02:18:38,549 --> 02:18:37,040
anything new

3522
02:18:40,389 --> 02:18:38,559
and i don't know if it did anything to

3523
02:18:42,150 --> 02:18:40,399
advance the story in a positive

3524
02:18:43,429 --> 02:18:42,160
direction or a negative direction you

3525
02:18:46,629 --> 02:18:43,439
know

3526
02:18:48,469 --> 02:18:46,639
did and and coming away from the film

3527
02:18:50,230 --> 02:18:48,479
and i understand all of that alex but

3528
02:18:51,429 --> 02:18:50,240
for you personally

3529
02:18:54,790 --> 02:18:51,439
um

3530
02:18:56,389 --> 02:18:54,800
did you understand what uh jeremy was

3531
02:18:58,549 --> 02:18:56,399
trying to do for this because you have

3532
02:19:01,030 --> 02:18:58,559
an opportunity you got freaking a living

3533
02:19:02,150 --> 02:19:01,040
legend right you got bob lazar yeah the

3534
02:19:05,589 --> 02:19:02,160
enigma

3535
02:19:08,629 --> 02:19:05,599
that he is you have an opportunity here

3536
02:19:10,150 --> 02:19:08,639
to literally hit a home run right

3537
02:19:11,509 --> 02:19:10,160
straight to the moon

3538
02:19:13,910 --> 02:19:11,519
right

3539
02:19:15,589 --> 02:19:13,920
yeah did what was that opportunity

3540
02:19:17,589 --> 02:19:15,599
missed

3541
02:19:19,110 --> 02:19:17,599
yeah i think so i think

3542
02:19:20,790 --> 02:19:19,120
i like jeremy i met him you know just

3543
02:19:22,950 --> 02:19:20,800
wants his nice guy i think he's very

3544
02:19:24,950 --> 02:19:22,960
talented yeah he is but i think he got

3545
02:19:28,709 --> 02:19:24,960
overwhelmed with his

3546
02:19:30,070 --> 02:19:28,719
love of the subject and bob lazar and in

3547
02:19:31,429 --> 02:19:30,080
you know obviously this movie's been in

3548
02:19:32,830 --> 02:19:31,439
his head for for

3549
02:19:34,309 --> 02:19:32,840
years you know i don't

3550
02:19:36,709 --> 02:19:34,319
know it has years or so whatever it was

3551
02:19:37,990 --> 02:19:36,719
that he said and i think

3552
02:19:39,990 --> 02:19:38,000
it

3553
02:19:41,429 --> 02:19:40,000
he just he was he's not able to be

3554
02:19:43,270 --> 02:19:41,439
objective at that point

3555
02:19:48,070 --> 02:19:43,280
and i think that got lost and i think he

3556
02:19:51,990 --> 02:19:49,750
i want to ask you some direct questions

3557
02:19:55,349 --> 02:19:52,000
and you've been researching and and been

3558
02:19:57,990 --> 02:19:55,359
a part of this community for forever and

3559
02:19:59,429 --> 02:19:58,000
and i i say that uh as a term of

3560
02:20:01,910 --> 02:19:59,439
endearment but you've been doing this

3561
02:20:03,510 --> 02:20:01,920
for a very long time yeah and i respect

3562
02:20:07,750 --> 02:20:03,520
your opinion even though it's very

3563
02:20:12,630 --> 02:20:09,910
that being said and this audience needs

3564
02:20:15,190 --> 02:20:12,640
to know that alex and i and wolves okay

3565
02:20:17,270 --> 02:20:15,200
i'm the voice of reason over here

3566
02:20:19,830 --> 02:20:17,280
we have stayed up till two three four

3567
02:20:21,510 --> 02:20:19,840
o'clock in the morning many nights uh

3568
02:20:24,710 --> 02:20:21,520
debating all of these issues and

3569
02:20:26,389 --> 02:20:24,720
nobody's been a clear winner so

3570
02:20:30,710 --> 02:20:26,399
so with that

3571
02:20:31,990 --> 02:20:30,720
um do you think that bob lazar

3572
02:20:34,790 --> 02:20:32,000
set foot

3573
02:20:36,389 --> 02:20:34,800
onto area 51.

3574
02:20:38,309 --> 02:20:36,399
absolutely 100

3575
02:20:40,790 --> 02:20:38,319
okay you know so

3576
02:20:41,590 --> 02:20:40,800
we have a problem here don't we because

3577
02:20:45,830 --> 02:20:41,600
we

3578
02:20:49,510 --> 02:20:45,840
everything else it's like alex what do

3579
02:20:52,070 --> 02:20:49,520
we do with this and how do we fix it

3580
02:20:55,270 --> 02:20:52,080
i don't know how to fix it i think that

3581
02:20:57,349 --> 02:20:55,280
look i think bob was lazar was

3582
02:20:58,630 --> 02:20:57,359
very carefully selected and they knew

3583
02:21:00,150 --> 02:20:58,640
ahead of time these problems are going

3584
02:21:01,830 --> 02:21:00,160
to arise or they wanted these problems

3585
02:21:03,510 --> 02:21:01,840
to arrive it's just another form of

3586
02:21:05,670 --> 02:21:03,520
disinformation i think you know it

3587
02:21:07,670 --> 02:21:05,680
doesn't mean that he was in there and

3588
02:21:09,750 --> 02:21:07,680
he didn't get to work on you know

3589
02:21:12,230 --> 02:21:09,760
whatever he worked on but i think this

3590
02:21:14,070 --> 02:21:12,240
was very carefully planned and i think

3591
02:21:15,510 --> 02:21:14,080
you know i think the whole thing in some

3592
02:21:17,349 --> 02:21:15,520
ways was a little bit of a setup from

3593
02:21:18,469 --> 02:21:17,359
the from the get-go at least that's my

3594
02:21:19,910 --> 02:21:18,479
take on it

3595
02:21:22,309 --> 02:21:19,920
and what

3596
02:21:24,070 --> 02:21:22,319
what do you think uh

3597
02:21:25,190 --> 02:21:24,080
and and i want to continue this because

3598
02:21:26,389 --> 02:21:25,200
we're going to head towards a break and

3599
02:21:28,309 --> 02:21:26,399
i want to

3600
02:21:31,030 --> 02:21:28,319
keep this up after the break

3601
02:21:34,790 --> 02:21:31,040
um alex what do you think

3602
02:21:35,990 --> 02:21:34,800
the significance of bob lazar and george

3603
02:21:40,230 --> 02:21:36,000
knapp

3604
02:21:43,349 --> 02:21:40,240
has been for this ufo community it what

3605
02:21:44,870 --> 02:21:43,359
do you think the significance has been

3606
02:21:46,389 --> 02:21:44,880
i think it's one of the uh strongholds

3607
02:21:49,190 --> 02:21:46,399
one of the base for this community i

3608
02:21:52,389 --> 02:21:49,200
think every so-called whistleblower that

3609
02:21:54,150 --> 02:21:52,399
has come after bob lazar from burich who

3610
02:21:55,590 --> 02:21:54,160
you know who i think was just full of

3611
02:21:57,590 --> 02:21:55,600
crap

3612
02:21:59,429 --> 02:21:57,600
to you know to the corey goodes and

3613
02:22:01,910 --> 02:21:59,439
emery smith of today this was the

3614
02:22:04,630 --> 02:22:01,920
beginning this started all of that

3615
02:22:06,870 --> 02:22:04,640
and um it's i don't think you can

3616
02:22:09,190 --> 02:22:06,880
it's one of the top three most important

3617
02:22:11,270 --> 02:22:09,200
events in uh ufo history i think you

3618
02:22:13,190 --> 02:22:11,280
know you get roswell you get bob lazar

3619
02:22:14,550 --> 02:22:13,200
everything else kind of came after that

3620
02:22:16,469 --> 02:22:14,560
and evolved

3621
02:22:18,309 --> 02:22:16,479
from that some a lot of mythology i

3622
02:22:19,590 --> 02:22:18,319
think evolved out of that unfortunately

3623
02:22:21,670 --> 02:22:19,600
but also

3624
02:22:23,349 --> 02:22:21,680
you know a lot of people started with

3625
02:22:24,950 --> 02:22:23,359
blah blah blah i remember when that

3626
02:22:27,110 --> 02:22:24,960
story first came out it blew my mind

3627
02:22:28,550 --> 02:22:27,120
right right you know i just literally

3628
02:22:30,309 --> 02:22:28,560
just blew my mind i was like what this

3629
02:22:31,510 --> 02:22:30,319
guy you know walked on you know worked

3630
02:22:35,030 --> 02:22:31,520
on you know

3631
02:22:36,309 --> 02:22:35,040
tech i never heard that before right so

3632
02:22:38,150 --> 02:22:36,319
and that's you know part one of the

3633
02:22:40,469 --> 02:22:38,160
stories that got me started

3634
02:22:41,670 --> 02:22:40,479
but unfortunately you know it like

3635
02:22:43,270 --> 02:22:41,680
anything else

3636
02:22:44,870 --> 02:22:43,280
you have a core of truth and you know

3637
02:22:45,590 --> 02:22:44,880
mythologies are getting built around

3638
02:22:47,550 --> 02:22:45,600
that

3639
02:22:49,590 --> 02:22:47,560
you know some obviously purposely some

3640
02:22:51,190 --> 02:22:49,600
non-purposely but

3641
02:22:52,870 --> 02:22:51,200
and as the years go on becomes harder

3642
02:22:54,309 --> 02:22:52,880
and harder to tell what's true and

3643
02:22:55,830 --> 02:22:54,319
what's not and that's probably for bob

3644
02:22:59,030 --> 02:22:55,840
lazar quite as well you know your memory

3645
02:23:00,150 --> 02:22:59,040
is not always that reliable i think

3646
02:23:02,150 --> 02:23:00,160
you know the story you were talking

3647
02:23:03,830 --> 02:23:02,160
about earlier about how he saw the alien

3648
02:23:06,070 --> 02:23:03,840
which for me was one of the kind of the

3649
02:23:07,750 --> 02:23:06,080
red flags originally because

3650
02:23:08,870 --> 02:23:07,760
it just seemed real convenient he's

3651
02:23:10,150 --> 02:23:08,880
walking by the hallway looked through

3652
02:23:12,230 --> 02:23:10,160
windows a lot of alien there it just

3653
02:23:14,710 --> 02:23:12,240
seems like that was a whole setup for me

3654
02:23:16,469 --> 02:23:14,720
but i think it's possible that he saw

3655
02:23:18,389 --> 02:23:16,479
something and it was set up but as the

3656
02:23:20,389 --> 02:23:18,399
years went on he started rationalizing

3657
02:23:22,150 --> 02:23:20,399
it and today he's kind of a little more

3658
02:23:23,349 --> 02:23:22,160
negative on it probably you know

3659
02:23:24,870 --> 02:23:23,359
unconsciously because of all the

3660
02:23:26,550 --> 02:23:24,880
negative feedback

3661
02:23:28,070 --> 02:23:26,560
i mean you guys he's been getting

3662
02:23:30,230 --> 02:23:28,080
trolled for 30 years like we all get

3663
02:23:32,150 --> 02:23:30,240
trolled in this field right right you do

3664
02:23:34,309 --> 02:23:32,160
right wolf gets you know some of us you

3665
02:23:35,910 --> 02:23:34,319
react much better than i do for example

3666
02:23:37,510 --> 02:23:35,920
right but

3667
02:23:39,990 --> 02:23:37,520
lazar has been getting control for 30

3668
02:23:41,510 --> 02:23:40,000
years and i think unconsciously you

3669
02:23:43,429 --> 02:23:41,520
start taking steps back and some of the

3670
02:23:45,590 --> 02:23:43,439
things you said just as a defense

3671
02:23:47,830 --> 02:23:45,600
mechanism and i think that's very much

3672
02:23:51,349 --> 02:23:47,840
in play with uh with the czar

3673
02:23:52,389 --> 02:23:51,359
yeah he was published he was pummeled

3674
02:23:54,710 --> 02:23:52,399
you know

3675
02:23:57,349 --> 02:23:54,720
pummeled i mean he left the state and

3676
02:24:00,150 --> 02:23:57,359
and just disappeared and i

3677
02:24:01,910 --> 02:24:00,160
i can't blame him for anything

3678
02:24:04,070 --> 02:24:01,920
that he had done as a reaction to that

3679
02:24:07,190 --> 02:24:04,080
you're absolutely right defensive or or

3680
02:24:08,950 --> 02:24:07,200
otherwise i mean holy smokes right every

3681
02:24:11,590 --> 02:24:08,960
aspect of his life was put under a

3682
02:24:12,710 --> 02:24:11,600
microscope look stan friedman gets on

3683
02:24:15,830 --> 02:24:12,720
your butt

3684
02:24:18,070 --> 02:24:15,840
whoo right well

3685
02:24:20,150 --> 02:24:18,080
that's just something that uh nobody

3686
02:24:23,110 --> 02:24:20,160
nobody wants and now he certainly

3687
02:24:26,710 --> 02:24:23,120
invited it but it did happen and it was

3688
02:24:28,150 --> 02:24:26,720
relentless relentless um wolf i want to

3689
02:24:29,190 --> 02:24:28,160
ask you the same question before we go

3690
02:24:31,510 --> 02:24:29,200
to the break and then we'll come back

3691
02:24:32,389 --> 02:24:31,520
and pick all of this up alex if you if

3692
02:24:36,469 --> 02:24:32,399
you

3693
02:24:38,870 --> 02:24:36,479
this up after the break yeah absolutely

3694
02:24:40,469 --> 02:24:38,880
but uh wolf i want to ask you the same

3695
02:24:42,550 --> 02:24:40,479
question for you

3696
02:24:46,150 --> 02:24:42,560
what's what's the significance

3697
02:24:47,590 --> 02:24:46,160
uh that that bob lazar and george knapp

3698
02:24:50,550 --> 02:24:47,600
has had

3699
02:24:52,550 --> 02:24:50,560
uh on ufology

3700
02:24:54,870 --> 02:24:52,560
well i think it was a game changer you

3701
02:24:57,190 --> 02:24:54,880
know for sure just like alex said about

3702
02:24:59,429 --> 02:24:57,200
reno roswell or uh

3703
02:25:01,670 --> 02:24:59,439
you know a textbook incident you know

3704
02:25:02,630 --> 02:25:01,680
there's there's many famous cases that

3705
02:25:04,630 --> 02:25:02,640
uh

3706
02:25:06,710 --> 02:25:04,640
that come to my mind that were game

3707
02:25:09,190 --> 02:25:06,720
changers kelly hopkins

3708
02:25:11,270 --> 02:25:09,200
uh you know oh god there's there's

3709
02:25:12,630 --> 02:25:11,280
there's there's so many but uh but yeah

3710
02:25:14,630 --> 02:25:12,640
it definitely was a game changer it was

3711
02:25:15,990 --> 02:25:14,640
a game changing for me because it it

3712
02:25:17,990 --> 02:25:16,000
this whole story was the reason i

3713
02:25:19,510 --> 02:25:18,000
started doing research out of area 51.

3714
02:25:21,270 --> 02:25:19,520
that's now that's right it wasn't for

3715
02:25:23,510 --> 02:25:21,280
that story coming out i wouldn't have

3716
02:25:24,950 --> 02:25:23,520
done you know i spent you know

3717
02:25:27,190 --> 02:25:24,960
i've been going out there for four or

3718
02:25:29,190 --> 02:25:27,200
five times a year since like 1993 you

3719
02:25:30,710 --> 02:25:29,200
know i mean doing research out there and

3720
02:25:32,870 --> 02:25:30,720
spying on the base and recording

3721
02:25:35,830 --> 02:25:32,880
transmissions from the base you know

3722
02:25:38,230 --> 02:25:35,840
so if it wasn't for the czar story i

3723
02:25:40,550 --> 02:25:38,240
you know i i don't know what to be doing

3724
02:25:43,270 --> 02:25:40,560
right now you know well you know what we

3725
02:25:45,910 --> 02:25:43,280
would have never i i don't know

3726
02:25:48,230 --> 02:25:45,920
if i'm taking this a little bit too far

3727
02:25:51,429 --> 02:25:48,240
but there's a good chance that we would

3728
02:25:53,349 --> 02:25:51,439
have never known about area 51.

3729
02:25:54,389 --> 02:25:53,359
think about that first yeah well

3730
02:25:57,349 --> 02:25:54,399
right now

3731
02:25:59,270 --> 02:25:57,359
think about think about the depth of

3732
02:26:00,710 --> 02:25:59,280
what i just said

3733
02:26:03,030 --> 02:26:00,720
yeah right i'll tell you something

3734
02:26:06,469 --> 02:26:03,040
interesting one of the guys on my team

3735
02:26:08,070 --> 02:26:06,479
was out there in like 91

3736
02:26:10,230 --> 02:26:08,080
he knew there was a base out there might

3737
02:26:12,309 --> 02:26:10,240
get one of my guys from edwards right he

3738
02:26:15,349 --> 02:26:12,319
went out with a buddy looking for the

3739
02:26:17,270 --> 02:26:15,359
the base like they knew about it before

3740
02:26:19,510 --> 02:26:17,280
uh i think actually before maybe even

3741
02:26:20,870 --> 02:26:19,520
lazar broke the story and they he told

3742
02:26:22,870 --> 02:26:20,880
me that they went out looking for they

3743
02:26:25,750 --> 02:26:22,880
got as far as they actually passed

3744
02:26:28,230 --> 02:26:25,760
rachel and went on the one peak and

3745
02:26:29,990 --> 02:26:28,240
before tonopah and they they passed

3746
02:26:31,670 --> 02:26:30,000
green lake road and all that stuff they

3747
02:26:32,790 --> 02:26:31,680
kind of knew like we're kind of in the

3748
02:26:34,710 --> 02:26:32,800
vicinity

3749
02:26:35,750 --> 02:26:34,720
but they they they didn't find the base

3750
02:26:37,990 --> 02:26:35,760
they didn't know they were out but he

3751
02:26:41,030 --> 02:26:38,000
told me the story back uh when they went

3752
02:26:43,670 --> 02:26:41,040
out there like in 1991 or something

3753
02:26:44,950 --> 02:26:43,680
or 1990 so they were looking for this

3754
02:26:46,230 --> 02:26:44,960
base anyone was out there but they

3755
02:26:48,870 --> 02:26:46,240
couldn't find it

3756
02:26:51,590 --> 02:26:48,880
i still want uh i've got i've got one

3757
02:26:53,910 --> 02:26:51,600
minute left i you know and i i i joke

3758
02:26:55,830 --> 02:26:53,920
about this and i've been doing it for

3759
02:26:56,790 --> 02:26:55,840
years i mean years i've been joking

3760
02:26:57,510 --> 02:26:56,800
about this

3761
02:26:59,990 --> 02:26:57,520
but

3762
02:27:02,150 --> 02:27:00,000
i would take one for the team

3763
02:27:04,309 --> 02:27:02,160
i i would go out there and get arrested

3764
02:27:06,389 --> 02:27:04,319
i really would i would go up to the

3765
02:27:08,389 --> 02:27:06,399
gates i'm not kidding

3766
02:27:09,270 --> 02:27:08,399
i'd go up to the gates i'd get out of my

3767
02:27:11,270 --> 02:27:09,280
car

3768
02:27:13,030 --> 02:27:11,280
i'd wait for one of the guards to come

3769
02:27:14,790 --> 02:27:13,040
out and talk to me

3770
02:27:28,710 --> 02:27:14,800
i've already seen that happen

3771
02:27:32,469 --> 02:27:31,110
well you know but

3772
02:27:38,710 --> 02:27:32,479
if you want me to go out there you want

3773
02:27:42,870 --> 02:27:40,870
you know all recorded for you rita's

3774
02:27:45,429 --> 02:27:42,880
like the texts are already coming in

3775
02:27:47,270 --> 02:27:45,439
don't even joke about this she has said

3776
02:27:48,870 --> 02:27:47,280
to me many times

3777
02:27:50,389 --> 02:27:48,880
jimmy do you know there were guys that i

3778
02:27:51,750 --> 02:27:50,399
worked with that

3779
02:27:53,910 --> 02:27:51,760
every time i told them i was going out

3780
02:27:55,510 --> 02:27:53,920
to area 51 they were pissed off at me

3781
02:27:58,150 --> 02:27:55,520
because they always thought wolf's not

3782
02:27:59,990 --> 02:27:58,160
coming back like they always they always

3783
02:28:01,910 --> 02:28:00,000
feared when i was leaving the area 51

3784
02:28:03,830 --> 02:28:01,920
they thought i'm never coming back well

3785
02:28:06,150 --> 02:28:03,840
you know and see this is the thing this

3786
02:28:08,309 --> 02:28:06,160
is my wife who i love with everything

3787
02:28:09,470 --> 02:28:08,319
that i have but she goes i'm not bailing

3788
02:28:11,590 --> 02:28:09,480
you out of jail

3789
02:28:14,070 --> 02:28:11,600
[Laughter]

3790
02:28:15,510 --> 02:28:14,080
this i was talking about five years ago

3791
02:28:18,790 --> 02:28:15,520
you know when i started talking about

3792
02:28:20,309 --> 02:28:18,800
this and and i'm okay with it what i

3793
02:28:22,550 --> 02:28:20,319
what i think is

3794
02:28:24,710 --> 02:28:22,560
it hasn't actually been tested

3795
02:28:27,750 --> 02:28:24,720
everybody's run from the camo dudes and

3796
02:28:29,349 --> 02:28:27,760
justifiably so no i saw seven people get

3797
02:28:31,590 --> 02:28:29,359
arrested out there you know that story

3798
02:28:33,830 --> 02:28:31,600
right yeah i do i was with glenn

3799
02:28:35,510 --> 02:28:33,840
campbell on the hill videotaping seven

3800
02:28:37,590 --> 02:28:35,520
people getting arrested

3801
02:28:39,990 --> 02:28:37,600
right at the border you know with guns

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alex mastretta with us and of course

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wolf mccarron we're talking about jeremy

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corbell's new film bob lazar area 51 of

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flying saucers alex was with us last

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night we all had dinner before the movie

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and then uh we all sat together and

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watched a movie together last night

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we'll take a quick break

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[Music]

3912
02:34:22,950 --> 02:34:19,590
all right welcome back fade to black

3913
02:34:25,110 --> 02:34:22,960
we've got alex mastretta here

3914
02:34:27,190 --> 02:34:25,120
wolf mccarron

3915
02:34:29,590 --> 02:34:27,200
we are reviewing

3916
02:34:32,550 --> 02:34:29,600
jeremy corbell's new film we watched it

3917
02:34:34,950 --> 02:34:32,560
last night we all attended the premiere

3918
02:34:37,030 --> 02:34:34,960
downtown los angeles at the ace hotel in

3919
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the ace theater for

3920
02:34:43,030 --> 02:34:41,120
bob lazar area 51 and flying saucers and

3921
02:34:45,510 --> 02:34:43,040
we're going to continue the conversation

3922
02:34:46,469 --> 02:34:45,520
and alex i want to ask you directly

3923
02:34:49,270 --> 02:34:46,479
uh

3924
02:34:51,429 --> 02:34:49,280
what was your takeaway of the film i

3925
02:34:53,110 --> 02:34:51,439
have suggested i don't want to ask you a

3926
02:34:55,270 --> 02:34:53,120
leading question

3927
02:34:58,389 --> 02:34:55,280
but i have suggested that this is not a

3928
02:35:01,190 --> 02:34:58,399
documentary that this is a tribute

3929
02:35:03,110 --> 02:35:01,200
you use the word homage uh which i

3930
02:35:04,389 --> 02:35:03,120
thought was uh very clever and accurate

3931
02:35:07,510 --> 02:35:04,399
too as well

3932
02:35:08,630 --> 02:35:07,520
is that your take away of the film that

3933
02:35:11,190 --> 02:35:08,640
it it

3934
02:35:12,389 --> 02:35:11,200
shouldn't be classified in the

3935
02:35:15,270 --> 02:35:12,399
documentary

3936
02:35:18,070 --> 02:35:15,280
sense but you are okay with

3937
02:35:20,790 --> 02:35:18,080
considering it's something else

3938
02:35:22,070 --> 02:35:20,800
yeah absolutely i think um look it's a

3939
02:35:24,150 --> 02:35:22,080
love letter

3940
02:35:27,110 --> 02:35:24,160
to you know bob lazar and that whole

3941
02:35:28,710 --> 02:35:27,120
situation and i think it was in a lot of

3942
02:35:31,030 --> 02:35:28,720
ways this was like watching therapy i

3943
02:35:33,190 --> 02:35:31,040
think was very cathartic for jeremy you

3944
02:35:34,389 --> 02:35:33,200
know to get this movie out and by the

3945
02:35:35,750 --> 02:35:34,399
way it's absolutely worth watching

3946
02:35:37,190 --> 02:35:35,760
everybody should watch it and support

3947
02:35:39,110 --> 02:35:37,200
jeremy he's a good guy i think his heart

3948
02:35:41,030 --> 02:35:39,120
is in the right place sure but yeah from

3949
02:35:43,429 --> 02:35:41,040
a documentary standpoint there wasn't a

3950
02:35:44,950 --> 02:35:43,439
whole lot of research it wasn't like you

3951
02:35:46,710 --> 02:35:44,960
know in the documentary you'll you know

3952
02:35:48,070 --> 02:35:46,720
you'll put up your working hypothesis

3953
02:35:49,990 --> 02:35:48,080
whatever you'll go through the steps

3954
02:35:52,070 --> 02:35:50,000
trying to prove or disprove you have a

3955
02:35:53,429 --> 02:35:52,080
point a counterpoint there's you know

3956
02:35:55,270 --> 02:35:53,439
several discoveries you gotta have

3957
02:35:57,429 --> 02:35:55,280
throughout the show this wasn't really

3958
02:35:59,429 --> 02:35:57,439
one of those and that's you know strict

3959
02:36:01,030 --> 02:35:59,439
sense but the lines really blurred these

3960
02:36:03,030 --> 02:36:01,040
days though you know between fiction

3961
02:36:04,870 --> 02:36:03,040
documentary uh

3962
02:36:06,550 --> 02:36:04,880
you know this type of movie

3963
02:36:08,950 --> 02:36:06,560
it's you know it's kind of the new i

3964
02:36:09,910 --> 02:36:08,960
think it's a new trend in a lot of ways

3965
02:36:11,590 --> 02:36:09,920
so

3966
02:36:13,590 --> 02:36:11,600
is it a documentary you know honestly i

3967
02:36:15,510 --> 02:36:13,600
would kind of say yes i'll destroy with

3968
02:36:17,510 --> 02:36:15,520
you a little bit on that but

3969
02:36:20,550 --> 02:36:17,520
i think with you know with this some red

3970
02:36:23,510 --> 02:36:21,750
you know you have to look at in terms of

3971
02:36:25,990 --> 02:36:23,520
like it's very one-sided in a lot of

3972
02:36:27,750 --> 02:36:26,000
ways now what did you think

3973
02:36:29,750 --> 02:36:27,760
the uh the

3974
02:36:32,950 --> 02:36:29,760
seeing bob today

3975
02:36:34,070 --> 02:36:32,960
you know at work at home with his wife

3976
02:36:35,510 --> 02:36:34,080
and

3977
02:36:41,750 --> 02:36:35,520
his

3978
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in a

3979
02:36:47,429 --> 02:36:44,880
you know he's just a guy right he's just

3980
02:36:49,349 --> 02:36:47,439
yeah you know he's just a guy and and i

3981
02:36:51,190 --> 02:36:49,359
think that he's been humbled by all of

3982
02:36:54,150 --> 02:36:51,200
this what did you think about all of

3983
02:36:55,990 --> 02:36:54,160
that new footage and seeing bob again

3984
02:36:57,510 --> 02:36:56,000
i like that a lot because you know like

3985
02:36:59,030 --> 02:36:57,520
you like everybody else most of the

3986
02:37:01,670 --> 02:36:59,040
footage that we've all seen is pretty

3987
02:37:03,190 --> 02:37:01,680
dated by now and i was kind of wanted to

3988
02:37:04,950 --> 02:37:03,200
see what he was like today i would

3989
02:37:06,309 --> 02:37:04,960
respond to the same questions and i

3990
02:37:08,870 --> 02:37:06,319
would react

3991
02:37:10,309 --> 02:37:08,880
and it was kind of cool you know and um

3992
02:37:11,429 --> 02:37:10,319
yeah i think look

3993
02:37:13,190 --> 02:37:11,439
he's definitely

3994
02:37:14,389 --> 02:37:13,200
we're all regular guys in this field if

3995
02:37:15,190 --> 02:37:14,399
you really you know come to think about

3996
02:37:16,790 --> 02:37:15,200
it

3997
02:37:18,389 --> 02:37:16,800
and

3998
02:37:19,910 --> 02:37:18,399
seeing the humanity seeing the human

3999
02:37:22,950 --> 02:37:19,920
side of him kind of like

4000
02:37:24,309 --> 02:37:22,960
demystify him a little bit and for me

4001
02:37:25,510 --> 02:37:24,319
personally that becomes his story

4002
02:37:26,950 --> 02:37:25,520
because they're more believable because

4003
02:37:29,510 --> 02:37:26,960
he's just a regular guy not this

4004
02:37:30,710 --> 02:37:29,520
mythological symbol from you know 20 30

4005
02:37:32,550 --> 02:37:30,720
years ago

4006
02:37:34,950 --> 02:37:32,560
so i like that part you know in that

4007
02:37:36,870 --> 02:37:34,960
sense and he comes off look very

4008
02:37:37,990 --> 02:37:36,880
believable you know he always has i

4009
02:37:39,510 --> 02:37:38,000
think to me

4010
02:37:40,790 --> 02:37:39,520
you know if you just based on just

4011
02:37:42,950 --> 02:37:40,800
watching his account if you don't you

4012
02:37:46,070 --> 02:37:42,960
know without any background research

4013
02:37:49,990 --> 02:37:46,080
he's a hard guy to discount he really is

4014
02:37:53,110 --> 02:37:50,000
i i i did what everybody did i watched

4015
02:37:54,950 --> 02:37:53,120
over and over again every piece of video

4016
02:37:57,510 --> 02:37:54,960
footage i've seen it

4017
02:37:59,670 --> 02:37:57,520
and i don't even know dozens is is not

4018
02:38:00,790 --> 02:37:59,680
the right word maybe you know hundreds

4019
02:38:03,270 --> 02:38:00,800
of times

4020
02:38:05,670 --> 02:38:03,280
and i've tried to catch him

4021
02:38:07,670 --> 02:38:05,680
right tried to catch him yeah

4022
02:38:10,550 --> 02:38:07,680
i've never been able to do that i never

4023
02:38:13,030 --> 02:38:10,560
had an aha moment where i backpedaled

4024
02:38:14,550 --> 02:38:13,040
and and started to discount bob and i

4025
02:38:16,230 --> 02:38:14,560
know that there's people out there that

4026
02:38:18,230 --> 02:38:16,240
are gonna go church you're just off your

4027
02:38:20,550 --> 02:38:18,240
rocker it never happened

4028
02:38:23,270 --> 02:38:20,560
i don't get that feeling and i never

4029
02:38:26,309 --> 02:38:23,280
have and then at the same point

4030
02:38:29,510 --> 02:38:26,319
with uh if i had a friend

4031
02:38:32,070 --> 02:38:29,520
that was like bob where there was a side

4032
02:38:33,910 --> 02:38:32,080
of him that i i believe and i trusted

4033
02:38:35,750 --> 02:38:33,920
and another side where

4034
02:38:37,830 --> 02:38:35,760
there were so many red flags of

4035
02:38:40,389 --> 02:38:37,840
questions about its character and about

4036
02:38:42,469 --> 02:38:40,399
his past that i would throw up my hands

4037
02:38:45,429 --> 02:38:42,479
and go dude you're full of crap you know

4038
02:38:47,670 --> 02:38:45,439
you can't have it both ways i don't i

4039
02:38:50,469 --> 02:38:47,680
don't do that with bob and i don't

4040
02:38:52,950 --> 02:38:50,479
understand why i've got that i'm so

4041
02:38:55,510 --> 02:38:52,960
willing to give him a pass card but i am

4042
02:38:58,230 --> 02:38:55,520
and so is everybody else

4043
02:38:59,990 --> 02:38:58,240
yourself included alex i mean you're

4044
02:39:01,990 --> 02:39:00,000
you're one of the hardest guys to get

4045
02:39:04,389 --> 02:39:02,000
anybody to to

4046
02:39:06,870 --> 02:39:04,399
to to get you to change your mind or or

4047
02:39:09,670 --> 02:39:06,880
anything else you're one of the toughest

4048
02:39:11,670 --> 02:39:09,680
when it comes to this kind of stuff

4049
02:39:13,190 --> 02:39:11,680
you know it's like you know like

4050
02:39:14,550 --> 02:39:13,200
i've must have interviewed i don't know

4051
02:39:16,630 --> 02:39:14,560
hundreds and hundreds of witnesses right

4052
02:39:18,230 --> 02:39:16,640
throughout the years and so i kind of

4053
02:39:19,429 --> 02:39:18,240
get a pretty good sense of when people

4054
02:39:21,030 --> 02:39:19,439
are lying when they're full of crap in

4055
02:39:22,630 --> 02:39:21,040
terms of mannerisms they have how they

4056
02:39:23,910 --> 02:39:22,640
respond to questions

4057
02:39:26,230 --> 02:39:23,920
you know i've had a lot of experience

4058
02:39:28,469 --> 02:39:26,240
with it and with him i just can't

4059
02:39:30,070 --> 02:39:28,479
find fault in the way he delivers his

4060
02:39:32,070 --> 02:39:30,080
material and the way he talks it drives

4061
02:39:34,070 --> 02:39:32,080
me crazy because

4062
02:39:35,750 --> 02:39:34,080
it's just we're dichotomy where we all

4063
02:39:37,190 --> 02:39:35,760
want to believe him all of us well first

4064
02:39:38,630 --> 02:39:37,200
of all we know somebody worked there

4065
02:39:39,830 --> 02:39:38,640
somebody works on alien craft somewhere

4066
02:39:41,990 --> 02:39:39,840
it happened right

4067
02:39:43,670 --> 02:39:42,000
so it might as well be him but we all

4068
02:39:45,030 --> 02:39:43,680
want to believe him so badly because

4069
02:39:46,870 --> 02:39:45,040
it's so cool

4070
02:39:49,030 --> 02:39:46,880
and everyone every one of us that's in

4071
02:39:50,550 --> 02:39:49,040
this field and if you disagree with us

4072
02:39:52,550 --> 02:39:50,560
you shouldn't be in this field want this

4073
02:39:54,309 --> 02:39:52,560
to be real want this to be true because

4074
02:39:55,910 --> 02:39:54,319
we all want validation

4075
02:39:57,990 --> 02:39:55,920
of you know

4076
02:40:00,230 --> 02:39:58,000
of this phenomena right

4077
02:40:01,270 --> 02:40:00,240
so you want to believe him so badly but

4078
02:40:02,790 --> 02:40:01,280
on the other hand you're right there's

4079
02:40:05,110 --> 02:40:02,800
so much discrepancy in some of his

4080
02:40:06,550 --> 02:40:05,120
accounts mostly with this background

4081
02:40:08,870 --> 02:40:06,560
and

4082
02:40:10,630 --> 02:40:08,880
so it's like he's like the castaneda

4083
02:40:12,710 --> 02:40:10,640
yeah i know carlos

4084
02:40:13,990 --> 02:40:12,720
yeah totally and see there's there's

4085
02:40:15,830 --> 02:40:14,000
another thing

4086
02:40:22,630 --> 02:40:15,840
i have

4087
02:40:25,830 --> 02:40:22,640
ability to look at somebody and call bs

4088
02:40:27,910 --> 02:40:25,840
right i will i will

4089
02:40:30,150 --> 02:40:27,920
if somebody even goes down that road

4090
02:40:32,070 --> 02:40:30,160
with a little bit just a

4091
02:40:34,389 --> 02:40:32,080
little hint of it they're a canceled

4092
02:40:35,270 --> 02:40:34,399
check they'll never be able to get it

4093
02:40:36,389 --> 02:40:35,280
back

4094
02:40:37,270 --> 02:40:36,399
with me

4095
02:40:38,790 --> 02:40:37,280
right

4096
02:40:41,190 --> 02:40:38,800
and there are

4097
02:40:43,349 --> 02:40:41,200
not without naming names right now but

4098
02:40:46,309 --> 02:40:43,359
there are certain

4099
02:40:48,790 --> 02:40:46,319
uh personalities in ufology

4100
02:40:51,510 --> 02:40:48,800
that are cancelled checks and and they

4101
02:40:53,030 --> 02:40:51,520
became a canceled check with me

4102
02:40:54,389 --> 02:40:53,040
very quickly

4103
02:40:56,389 --> 02:40:54,399
with bob

4104
02:40:57,750 --> 02:40:56,399
i've been doing this now for 30 years

4105
02:41:00,309 --> 02:40:57,760
with bob

4106
02:41:04,230 --> 02:41:00,319
and he's not a cancelled check i've been

4107
02:41:08,309 --> 02:41:04,240
waiting you know i i cannot believe

4108
02:41:09,110 --> 02:41:08,319
that uh but there i i i don't see it in

4109
02:41:11,429 --> 02:41:09,120
them

4110
02:41:13,830 --> 02:41:11,439
and and i know i'm gonna get get knocked

4111
02:41:17,270 --> 02:41:13,840
and get criticized but if people are

4112
02:41:19,750 --> 02:41:17,280
looking at me to to discount bob i can't

4113
02:41:22,790 --> 02:41:19,760
do it with everything else that we've

4114
02:41:24,630 --> 02:41:22,800
talked about mit and cal tech yeah i

4115
02:41:26,389 --> 02:41:24,640
just don't think he went there

4116
02:41:28,710 --> 02:41:26,399
for some reason he won't come clean

4117
02:41:31,190 --> 02:41:28,720
about it but that doesn't mean he wasn't

4118
02:41:33,429 --> 02:41:31,200
at area 51 and he didn't see things and

4119
02:41:35,510 --> 02:41:33,439
that's where i stand

4120
02:41:38,630 --> 02:41:35,520
yeah i agree 100 unfortunately you know

4121
02:41:40,630 --> 02:41:38,640
these days were very much in the extreme

4122
02:41:43,270 --> 02:41:40,640
mentality where everything you know

4123
02:41:45,510 --> 02:41:43,280
all in or all out you know and he he

4124
02:41:46,550 --> 02:41:45,520
doesn't qualify in either direction you

4125
02:41:48,309 --> 02:41:46,560
know he's kind of like he's one of those

4126
02:41:50,070 --> 02:41:48,319
middle ground guys in terms of

4127
02:41:51,510 --> 02:41:50,080
veracity and that's

4128
02:41:53,750 --> 02:41:51,520
i think that's why people respond so

4129
02:41:55,190 --> 02:41:53,760
negatively at times it's frustrating now

4130
02:41:56,950 --> 02:41:55,200
there was something that was missing

4131
02:41:59,190 --> 02:41:56,960
from the film last night and i didn't

4132
02:42:00,950 --> 02:41:59,200
bring it up with either of you i want

4133
02:42:03,190 --> 02:42:00,960
both of your opinions

4134
02:42:04,389 --> 02:42:03,200
one of the we talked about the alien

4135
02:42:06,950 --> 02:42:04,399
through the window that was a

4136
02:42:07,990 --> 02:42:06,960
significant significant part of his

4137
02:42:11,030 --> 02:42:08,000
story

4138
02:42:12,950 --> 02:42:11,040
another probably bigger part of his

4139
02:42:16,230 --> 02:42:12,960
story than that

4140
02:42:19,830 --> 02:42:16,240
was him witnessing the test flight at

4141
02:42:22,150 --> 02:42:19,840
poopoos lake when he showed up the sport

4142
02:42:24,469 --> 02:42:22,160
model is out of the hangar

4143
02:42:26,309 --> 02:42:24,479
and suspended in the air and he's

4144
02:42:29,270 --> 02:42:26,319
looking at the distortion around the

4145
02:42:30,710 --> 02:42:29,280
craft the craft is there it's fired up

4146
02:42:32,550 --> 02:42:30,720
he doesn't know if it's being remote

4147
02:42:34,070 --> 02:42:32,560
controlled if somebody's in this thing

4148
02:42:37,590 --> 02:42:34,080
flying he doesn't know any of these

4149
02:42:39,590 --> 02:42:37,600
things but it's his his description of

4150
02:42:40,790 --> 02:42:39,600
what he is witnessing

4151
02:42:42,150 --> 02:42:40,800
certainly

4152
02:42:44,550 --> 02:42:42,160
if true

4153
02:42:46,790 --> 02:42:44,560
is one of the most important events in

4154
02:42:48,790 --> 02:42:46,800
all of human history right

4155
02:42:50,230 --> 02:42:48,800
it wasn't even mentioned last night in

4156
02:42:50,950 --> 02:42:50,240
the film

4157
02:42:52,710 --> 02:42:50,960
oh

4158
02:42:56,070 --> 02:42:52,720
what what gives there alex why do you

4159
02:43:00,790 --> 02:42:58,389
i have no idea that's a that's a really

4160
02:43:01,910 --> 02:43:00,800
good question it's puzzling because

4161
02:43:03,830 --> 02:43:01,920
for all of us that was one of the

4162
02:43:05,750 --> 02:43:03,840
initial events that probably again blew

4163
02:43:06,950 --> 02:43:05,760
our minds when we first read about lazar

4164
02:43:09,110 --> 02:43:06,960
you know right

4165
02:43:11,349 --> 02:43:09,120
and while i wasn't in the film i

4166
02:43:14,070 --> 02:43:11,359
honestly have no idea i got no answer i

4167
02:43:16,070 --> 02:43:14,080
it's it's puzzling it's bizarre it's

4168
02:43:18,469 --> 02:43:16,080
it's such a big event i mean the two

4169
02:43:20,950 --> 02:43:18,479
things i wanted to know about that

4170
02:43:23,030 --> 02:43:20,960
i think jeremy is more concerned about

4171
02:43:27,510 --> 02:43:23,040
about keeping the

4172
02:43:28,389 --> 02:43:27,520
proving lazar's point you know

4173
02:43:29,349 --> 02:43:28,399
well

4174
02:43:30,870 --> 02:43:29,359
again

4175
02:43:33,990 --> 02:43:30,880
why not

4176
02:43:35,750 --> 02:43:34,000
this is if i've got bob lazar

4177
02:43:37,830 --> 02:43:35,760
right and he's sitting in front of me

4178
02:43:40,070 --> 02:43:37,840
and i've got cameras rolling

4179
02:43:41,190 --> 02:43:40,080
i want to hear

4180
02:43:44,389 --> 02:43:41,200
that

4181
02:43:45,349 --> 02:43:44,399
i want to hear it i want to hear it

4182
02:43:47,190 --> 02:43:45,359
again

4183
02:43:49,110 --> 02:43:47,200
maybe he's remembered something that he

4184
02:43:51,110 --> 02:43:49,120
hasn't talked about before maybe the

4185
02:43:53,429 --> 02:43:51,120
story's going to change a little bit

4186
02:43:55,590 --> 02:43:53,439
maybe he has something more to add

4187
02:44:00,389 --> 02:43:55,600
but we need to hear that story in the

4188
02:44:01,510 --> 02:44:00,399
2018 context versus the 1993 version of

4189
02:44:04,389 --> 02:44:01,520
the story

4190
02:44:06,389 --> 02:44:04,399
and and for those out there the audience

4191
02:44:08,469 --> 02:44:06,399
that has never heard of bob lazar before

4192
02:44:11,190 --> 02:44:08,479
that is you know getting introduced to

4193
02:44:14,070 --> 02:44:11,200
him for the first time they need to hear

4194
02:44:16,309 --> 02:44:14,080
this it is so important

4195
02:44:18,950 --> 02:44:16,319
uh it was such a significant event in

4196
02:44:20,870 --> 02:44:18,960
ufology like alex said i i don't

4197
02:44:23,830 --> 02:44:20,880
understand why jeremy would avoid the

4198
02:44:26,870 --> 02:44:25,269
yeah um

4199
02:44:28,790 --> 02:44:26,880
yeah i just like i said it seems like

4200
02:44:31,190 --> 02:44:28,800
the movie was more geared toward the

4201
02:44:32,870 --> 02:44:31,200
validity of his his

4202
02:44:34,630 --> 02:44:32,880
trying to keep the validity of

4203
02:44:36,550 --> 02:44:34,640
lazar but yeah he could have thrown in a

4204
02:44:37,670 --> 02:44:36,560
couple little things about papoose about

4205
02:44:40,790 --> 02:44:37,680
the

4206
02:44:42,550 --> 02:44:40,800
done before but

4207
02:44:44,150 --> 02:44:42,560
he could have he could have shown me bob

4208
02:44:46,070 --> 02:44:44,160
said he looked at the

4209
02:44:47,429 --> 02:44:46,080
ufo and it became invisible and he

4210
02:44:49,190 --> 02:44:47,439
looked up and saw the night sky and he

4211
02:44:52,070 --> 02:44:49,200
had like a plasma effect around kind of

4212
02:44:55,030 --> 02:44:52,080
like a right predator kind of effect you

4213
02:44:55,910 --> 02:44:55,040
know the movie predator kind of thing

4214
02:44:57,349 --> 02:44:55,920
um

4215
02:44:58,950 --> 02:44:57,359
but yeah i don't know why that was skit

4216
02:45:00,469 --> 02:44:58,960
but i i think it was skit because he

4217
02:45:02,230 --> 02:45:00,479
seems like he's really

4218
02:45:05,190 --> 02:45:02,240
made this movie to try to just want to

4219
02:45:08,550 --> 02:45:05,200
be able to believe lazar more

4220
02:45:10,070 --> 02:45:08,560
uh he didn't seem too concerned about uh

4221
02:45:11,349 --> 02:45:10,080
most of the stuff but he did give him

4222
02:45:13,750 --> 02:45:11,359
that chance to talk about the

4223
02:45:15,670 --> 02:45:13,760
accelerators and when he was drawing on

4224
02:45:17,349 --> 02:45:15,680
the paper and all that

4225
02:45:19,830 --> 02:45:17,359
near the end of the movie

4226
02:45:22,309 --> 02:45:19,840
um yeah that was pretty cool now let's

4227
02:45:25,429 --> 02:45:22,319
actually get to the end of the movie

4228
02:45:30,230 --> 02:45:25,439
after the movie ended uh

4229
02:45:33,750 --> 02:45:30,240
george knapp and jeremy and bob lazar

4230
02:45:36,870 --> 02:45:33,760
sat down to take questions

4231
02:45:40,389 --> 02:45:36,880
i am going to let the audience know

4232
02:45:42,469 --> 02:45:40,399
that at that point i got up and left and

4233
02:45:44,309 --> 02:45:42,479
the reason why i got up and left not

4234
02:45:47,030 --> 02:45:44,319
that i wasn't interested

4235
02:45:50,309 --> 02:45:47,040
but i needed to use the little boys room

4236
02:45:52,630 --> 02:45:50,319
so i and and i didn't make it back into

4237
02:45:56,389 --> 02:45:52,640
the theater did you guys stay for the

4238
02:45:59,429 --> 02:45:56,399
question and answer the q a

4239
02:46:02,070 --> 02:45:59,439
yes okay wolf did you stay for the q a

4240
02:46:04,230 --> 02:46:02,080
or did you go with me wolf

4241
02:46:04,950 --> 02:46:04,240
i no no you left but i didn't think

4242
02:46:09,190 --> 02:46:04,960
there

4243
02:46:11,030 --> 02:46:09,200
just they just i mean i saw them talking

4244
02:46:14,150 --> 02:46:11,040
or they didn't take questions from the

4245
02:46:15,990 --> 02:46:14,160
audience though yeah that's right

4246
02:46:18,309 --> 02:46:16,000
they took questions from twitter they

4247
02:46:20,150 --> 02:46:18,319
took questions from oh yeah okay yeah i

4248
02:46:22,309 --> 02:46:20,160
was there for that yeah okay how how

4249
02:46:24,389 --> 02:46:22,319
many questions how many questions did

4250
02:46:26,710 --> 02:46:24,399
they take and do you remember

4251
02:46:28,710 --> 02:46:26,720
anything significant from that any any

4252
02:46:30,790 --> 02:46:28,720
significant question

4253
02:46:32,230 --> 02:46:30,800
well to me the knapp talked along you

4254
02:46:33,910 --> 02:46:32,240
know now he's got the gift of gab he

4255
02:46:35,750 --> 02:46:33,920
talked a long time and then i'm going

4256
02:46:37,670 --> 02:46:35,760
guys he talked to bob a little bit you

4257
02:46:39,269 --> 02:46:37,680
know and then uh

4258
02:46:40,790 --> 02:46:39,279
and then jeremy talked a long time but

4259
02:46:42,309 --> 02:46:40,800
bob's not a guy that really wanted to

4260
02:46:43,990 --> 02:46:42,319
even be there wanted to talk about it

4261
02:46:45,910 --> 02:46:44,000
like you know they kind of threw some

4262
02:46:47,429 --> 02:46:45,920
things to him and he kind of bob really

4263
02:46:49,750 --> 02:46:47,439
didn't talk at all

4264
02:46:52,550 --> 02:46:49,760
really alex do you remember that did did

4265
02:46:54,710 --> 02:46:52,560
bob answer any questions

4266
02:46:56,150 --> 02:46:54,720
no i mean it was uh jeremy started

4267
02:46:57,910 --> 02:46:56,160
answering a couple of questions and then

4268
02:46:59,990 --> 02:46:57,920
he kind of turned over to you know the

4269
02:47:02,230 --> 02:47:00,000
lazar he but it was i can't remember

4270
02:47:03,510 --> 02:47:02,240
what lazar said it was pretty brief and

4271
02:47:05,590 --> 02:47:03,520
you know i'm guessing he was kind of

4272
02:47:07,269 --> 02:47:05,600
uncomfortable sitting there and you know

4273
02:47:09,349 --> 02:47:07,279
george has a tendency to take over

4274
02:47:11,110 --> 02:47:09,359
anyway and nap

4275
02:47:12,790 --> 02:47:11,120
right right so and that's kind of what

4276
02:47:14,950 --> 02:47:12,800
happened so well the reason why i'm

4277
02:47:15,910 --> 02:47:14,960
asking you guys that because i had heard

4278
02:47:18,389 --> 02:47:15,920
uh

4279
02:47:19,269 --> 02:47:18,399
from others that were there later they

4280
02:47:21,269 --> 02:47:19,279
said

4281
02:47:23,429 --> 02:47:21,279
they felt like bob just wanted to get

4282
02:47:26,389 --> 02:47:23,439
out of there

4283
02:47:28,630 --> 02:47:26,399
yeah i don't want i i wasn't there

4284
02:47:30,309 --> 02:47:28,640
but i heard that from everybody

4285
02:47:32,389 --> 02:47:30,319
everybody said the same thing that bob

4286
02:47:35,030 --> 02:47:32,399
was uncomfortable he wanted to get up

4287
02:47:36,790 --> 02:47:35,040
and split is that the vibe that that you

4288
02:47:39,510 --> 02:47:36,800
guys got

4289
02:47:41,429 --> 02:47:39,520
yes yes i got that yeah yeah completely

4290
02:47:42,469 --> 02:47:41,439
yeah

4291
02:47:47,910 --> 02:47:42,479
how

4292
02:47:50,870 --> 02:47:47,920
much and i want the audience to share

4293
02:47:54,309 --> 02:47:50,880
that trust uh the circle of trust

4294
02:47:59,590 --> 02:47:56,469
how many questions were asked i mean was

4295
02:48:01,030 --> 02:47:59,600
it a half hour was it 15 minutes

4296
02:48:04,150 --> 02:48:01,040
it was like 20 minutes it was pretty

4297
02:48:08,309 --> 02:48:04,160
quick it was pretty quick wow yeah yeah

4298
02:48:10,550 --> 02:48:08,319
and and how much okay how did it end

4299
02:48:12,469 --> 02:48:10,560
i mean was it an uncomfortable end i

4300
02:48:13,830 --> 02:48:12,479
don't want to put a damper on all of

4301
02:48:15,429 --> 02:48:13,840
this

4302
02:48:17,030 --> 02:48:15,439
no it's just like an end like thank you

4303
02:48:19,349 --> 02:48:17,040
everyone for coming thank you so much

4304
02:48:20,550 --> 02:48:19,359
and you know and they were they were i

4305
02:48:22,150 --> 02:48:20,560
mean the you know the people in the

4306
02:48:24,389 --> 02:48:22,160
audience that were fans of course it was

4307
02:48:26,630 --> 02:48:24,399
our believing were one guy who started

4308
02:48:28,630 --> 02:48:26,640
yelling out bob you're a hero and you

4309
02:48:30,550 --> 02:48:28,640
know stuff like that so a lot of people

4310
02:48:32,070 --> 02:48:30,560
in the audience that were you know big

4311
02:48:35,510 --> 02:48:32,080
fans and believe them

4312
02:48:37,429 --> 02:48:35,520
sight unseen already why not take uh why

4313
02:48:38,710 --> 02:48:37,439
not take questions from the audience

4314
02:48:41,750 --> 02:48:38,720
normally

4315
02:48:43,510 --> 02:48:41,760
you set up a microphone on one aisle set

4316
02:48:45,030 --> 02:48:43,520
up a microphone on the other everybody

4317
02:48:46,870 --> 02:48:45,040
gets in a line

4318
02:48:48,070 --> 02:48:46,880
and you get to take that's

4319
02:48:50,070 --> 02:48:48,080
that's what they

4320
02:48:51,910 --> 02:48:50,080
showed up for yeah they didn't do that

4321
02:48:53,750 --> 02:48:51,920
but it could have been a lot of chaos

4322
02:48:55,670 --> 02:48:53,760
you know we me and alex are very

4323
02:49:00,230 --> 02:48:55,680
experienced with this ourselves i know

4324
02:49:03,590 --> 02:49:02,150
because there's always these uh people

4325
02:49:05,429 --> 02:49:03,600
that don't ask questions and want to

4326
02:49:07,750 --> 02:49:05,439
make statements if you know what i mean

4327
02:49:09,670 --> 02:49:07,760
yeah yeah i go through that that q a

4328
02:49:13,190 --> 02:49:09,680
thing could go on forever

4329
02:49:14,389 --> 02:49:13,200
um but but how did the audience react to

4330
02:49:15,750 --> 02:49:14,399
that

4331
02:49:17,110 --> 02:49:15,760
i mean

4332
02:49:18,870 --> 02:49:17,120
it seems like you would almost they were

4333
02:49:20,550 --> 02:49:18,880
just happy to see bob they were happy to

4334
02:49:21,590 --> 02:49:20,560
see bob there and they just you know i

4335
02:49:23,349 --> 02:49:21,600
think it was

4336
02:49:25,110 --> 02:49:23,359
enough for them you know they they

4337
02:49:26,790 --> 02:49:25,120
enjoyed it and they were just you know

4338
02:49:28,150 --> 02:49:26,800
happy to see him there and they most of

4339
02:49:29,030 --> 02:49:28,160
the people in the

4340
02:49:31,510 --> 02:49:29,040
uh

4341
02:49:34,150 --> 02:49:31,520
seem to be you know believers of it so i

4342
02:49:36,389 --> 02:49:34,160
think i think the people liked it

4343
02:49:37,910 --> 02:49:36,399
alex yeah i think i think at the end

4344
02:49:39,670 --> 02:49:37,920
there were people were just stoked that

4345
02:49:41,110 --> 02:49:39,680
he was there and he could see him i

4346
02:49:43,750 --> 02:49:41,120
don't think at that point it mattered so

4347
02:49:44,790 --> 02:49:43,760
much the material which i guess this is

4348
02:49:46,469 --> 02:49:44,800
kind of the crowd this was geared

4349
02:49:48,389 --> 02:49:46,479
towards anyway right it was more like

4350
02:49:49,830 --> 02:49:48,399
like we said kind of an homage to lazar

4351
02:49:52,550 --> 02:49:49,840
so i think people are just happy to see

4352
02:49:54,790 --> 02:49:52,560
him live well if i thought

4353
02:49:56,950 --> 02:49:54,800
but most people haven't if i would have

4354
02:49:58,710 --> 02:49:56,960
stuck around you know what i would have

4355
02:50:01,030 --> 02:49:58,720
done i would have stood up in the you

4356
02:50:01,990 --> 02:50:01,040
know and yelled out a question

4357
02:50:05,110 --> 02:50:02,000
and

4358
02:50:06,630 --> 02:50:05,120
it had been just obnoxious did anybody

4359
02:50:08,389 --> 02:50:06,640
attempt to do that

4360
02:50:10,070 --> 02:50:08,399
oh yeah yeah there was a couple guys

4361
02:50:12,230 --> 02:50:10,080
that did that i yelled out is that is

4362
02:50:15,269 --> 02:50:12,240
that jim acosta

4363
02:50:20,230 --> 02:50:17,750
i yelled that out

4364
02:50:21,990 --> 02:50:20,240
so people did attempt to yell out

4365
02:50:23,750 --> 02:50:22,000
questions did yeah there were people

4366
02:50:25,510 --> 02:50:23,760
yeah there were people yelling and

4367
02:50:27,510 --> 02:50:25,520
jeremy got a little ticked off at it was

4368
02:50:31,590 --> 02:50:27,520
yelling back at him it was kind of funny

4369
02:50:32,950 --> 02:50:31,600
oh he oh he he dealt with the hecklers

4370
02:50:34,790 --> 02:50:32,960
yeah yeah

4371
02:50:37,110 --> 02:50:34,800
interesting

4372
02:50:38,870 --> 02:50:37,120
well yeah jeremy can be pretty strong

4373
02:50:41,269 --> 02:50:38,880
i'm sure that

4374
02:50:42,950 --> 02:50:41,279
that was an uncomfortable moment

4375
02:50:46,070 --> 02:50:42,960
well um

4376
02:50:47,030 --> 02:50:46,080
now now overall as we start to wrap up

4377
02:50:50,150 --> 02:50:47,040
here

4378
02:50:53,750 --> 02:50:50,160
when we talk about a review of the film

4379
02:50:55,750 --> 02:50:53,760
okay i want both of yours uh both of you

4380
02:50:58,230 --> 02:50:55,760
to answer this

4381
02:51:00,550 --> 02:50:58,240
when you when you read a movie review

4382
02:51:03,429 --> 02:51:00,560
there's always a synopsis there's always

4383
02:51:05,750 --> 02:51:03,439
an ending where the movie reviewer or

4384
02:51:07,429 --> 02:51:05,760
the critic will suggest

4385
02:51:10,469 --> 02:51:07,439
the way that they would have made the

4386
02:51:13,349 --> 02:51:10,479
film right i would have done things this

4387
02:51:15,590 --> 02:51:13,359
way or i would have done things

4388
02:51:18,870 --> 02:51:15,600
this way and the film would have

4389
02:51:24,870 --> 02:51:20,950
if you could have changed something in

4390
02:51:26,550 --> 02:51:24,880
the film what would it have been

4391
02:51:28,950 --> 02:51:26,560
oh god

4392
02:51:30,630 --> 02:51:28,960
you won't really be that harsh i do no

4393
02:51:32,870 --> 02:51:30,640
it's like i thought he didn't like he

4394
02:51:34,070 --> 02:51:32,880
said he did a good job if it was just my

4395
02:51:36,150 --> 02:51:34,080
piece

4396
02:51:38,150 --> 02:51:36,160
myself i would have sped things up it

4397
02:51:40,550 --> 02:51:38,160
got into things quicker instead of later

4398
02:51:42,710 --> 02:51:40,560
like 45 minutes in i would have gone to

4399
02:51:44,790 --> 02:51:42,720
the story knocked it out for people that

4400
02:51:46,309 --> 02:51:44,800
didn't know about them tightened that up

4401
02:51:47,349 --> 02:51:46,319
and done that kind of quick so people

4402
02:51:48,790 --> 02:51:47,359
got the

4403
02:51:50,790 --> 02:51:48,800
uh the sense of that and like you said

4404
02:51:51,670 --> 02:51:50,800
they they they suffer papoose a little

4405
02:51:54,309 --> 02:51:51,680
more

4406
02:51:55,910 --> 02:51:54,319
uh and and then gotten into but i think

4407
02:51:58,309 --> 02:51:55,920
he just hung too much

4408
02:51:59,429 --> 02:51:58,319
on uh the i understand that the mickey

4409
02:52:01,830 --> 02:51:59,439
roll stuff had to be there because he

4410
02:52:04,389 --> 02:52:01,840
needed an a-lister to get

4411
02:52:05,830 --> 02:52:04,399
stuff for his film i get all that but uh

4412
02:52:08,230 --> 02:52:05,840
the dialogue was horrible that could

4413
02:52:09,990 --> 02:52:08,240
have been redone but uh uh

4414
02:52:12,389 --> 02:52:10,000
as far as like the the interviews that

4415
02:52:14,630 --> 02:52:12,399
he did with knapp in the old interviews

4416
02:52:15,990 --> 02:52:14,640
he just hung on those too long and there

4417
02:52:18,710 --> 02:52:16,000
was a lot of and i think there's a lot

4418
02:52:19,670 --> 02:52:18,720
of much too much jeremy in it too

4419
02:52:21,910 --> 02:52:19,680
uh

4420
02:52:25,269 --> 02:52:21,920
but that's how i would have done it alex

4421
02:52:27,590 --> 02:52:25,279
what what would you have changed

4422
02:52:30,389 --> 02:52:27,600
i would have taken bob lazar as close as

4423
02:52:32,309 --> 02:52:30,399
possible to area 51 at the gate even

4424
02:52:34,870 --> 02:52:32,319
and asking the most difficult questions

4425
02:52:36,630 --> 02:52:34,880
right there and then

4426
02:52:37,990 --> 02:52:36,640
at the area and see how i think he'd

4427
02:52:42,469 --> 02:52:38,000
want to go to that i don't think he

4428
02:52:46,070 --> 02:52:44,469
right i think that would have been

4429
02:52:47,269 --> 02:52:46,080
real interesting to see his response

4430
02:52:49,830 --> 02:52:47,279
back or

4431
02:52:52,230 --> 02:52:49,840
you know at the spot so to speak

4432
02:52:54,070 --> 02:52:52,240
what do you think has ever been dramatic

4433
02:52:55,750 --> 02:52:54,080
and there was i think there was

4434
02:52:57,910 --> 02:52:55,760
something else that was left out in the

4435
02:53:00,389 --> 02:52:57,920
film and so i'm going to ask both of you

4436
02:53:01,750 --> 02:53:00,399
the same question we've got uh five

4437
02:53:03,670 --> 02:53:01,760
minutes

4438
02:53:05,590 --> 02:53:03,680
alex

4439
02:53:08,630 --> 02:53:05,600
bob's impact

4440
02:53:13,030 --> 02:53:08,640
cannot be measured and i understand that

4441
02:53:16,230 --> 02:53:13,040
but bob's impact on research and how we

4442
02:53:17,349 --> 02:53:16,240
have looked into things gravity gravity

4443
02:53:19,349 --> 02:53:17,359
waves

4444
02:53:21,750 --> 02:53:19,359
propulsion systems

4445
02:53:22,630 --> 02:53:21,760
this has forced a lot of research and

4446
02:53:27,429 --> 02:53:22,640
and

4447
02:53:29,830 --> 02:53:27,439
researchers to look at things uh

4448
02:53:32,309 --> 02:53:29,840
probably a little bit differently his

4449
02:53:33,750 --> 02:53:32,319
impact has been pretty significant don't

4450
02:53:35,349 --> 02:53:33,760
you think

4451
02:53:36,870 --> 02:53:35,359
oh absolutely i think that's a that's

4452
02:53:38,710 --> 02:53:36,880
great i think it's those are things we

4453
02:53:40,389 --> 02:53:38,720
should definitely look into

4454
02:53:42,550 --> 02:53:40,399
and i think whether you know it

4455
02:53:46,150 --> 02:53:42,560
validates him or doesn't

4456
02:53:47,910 --> 02:53:46,160
ultimately just looking into you know

4457
02:53:49,590 --> 02:53:47,920
any scientific issue in relation it's

4458
02:53:51,190 --> 02:53:49,600
really important it's a big part of this

4459
02:53:53,110 --> 02:53:51,200
case right whether his science holds up

4460
02:53:54,710 --> 02:53:53,120
or not right and we absolutely need to

4461
02:53:56,309 --> 02:53:54,720
look into that there's you know there's

4462
02:53:58,309 --> 02:53:56,319
no getting around it

4463
02:54:02,710 --> 02:53:58,319
wolf what do you think bob's biggest

4464
02:54:06,950 --> 02:54:05,110
well i think it's definitely uh

4465
02:54:09,190 --> 02:54:06,960
uh you know it's like i said it was a

4466
02:54:11,110 --> 02:54:09,200
game changer at least for me and there

4467
02:54:12,950 --> 02:54:11,120
was a game changer for

4468
02:54:13,830 --> 02:54:12,960
you know a lot of people uh as far as

4469
02:54:16,389 --> 02:54:13,840
the

4470
02:54:17,910 --> 02:54:16,399
nothing before like that like alex said

4471
02:54:20,950 --> 02:54:17,920
that where somebody's oh i was working

4472
02:54:23,510 --> 02:54:20,960
on alien technology now after that we do

4473
02:54:25,510 --> 02:54:23,520
know about the dan bieris case and and

4474
02:54:26,950 --> 02:54:25,520
you know about bill you house right with

4475
02:54:27,830 --> 02:54:26,960
the j-rod

4476
02:54:29,590 --> 02:54:27,840
so

4477
02:54:31,349 --> 02:54:29,600
but lazar stuff

4478
02:54:32,710 --> 02:54:31,359
took off you know

4479
02:54:34,550 --> 02:54:32,720
from that was just more interesting

4480
02:54:35,830 --> 02:54:34,560
because of uh you know

4481
02:54:37,590 --> 02:54:35,840
you never heard stories it was always

4482
02:54:39,510 --> 02:54:37,600
about life in the sky or that kind of

4483
02:54:41,190 --> 02:54:39,520
thing or abductions so this was kind of

4484
02:54:41,990 --> 02:54:41,200
like the first time a guy said yeah i

4485
02:54:45,590 --> 02:54:42,000
worked

4486
02:54:48,389 --> 02:54:45,600
that's why it was so important i think

4487
02:54:51,670 --> 02:54:48,399
it was a game changer

4488
02:54:54,469 --> 02:54:51,680
well i want to thank both of you uh for

4489
02:54:57,590 --> 02:54:54,479
for this and i can't wait for our next

4490
02:54:59,190 --> 02:54:57,600
dinner uh together last night was just

4491
02:55:01,510 --> 02:54:59,200
last night was just a little teaser but

4492
02:55:04,070 --> 02:55:01,520
we've got to do that really soon and and

4493
02:55:06,790 --> 02:55:04,080
stay up really late and there's nothing

4494
02:55:08,550 --> 02:55:06,800
like it when see this is the thing not

4495
02:55:10,710 --> 02:55:08,560
only with this show but

4496
02:55:12,070 --> 02:55:10,720
with members of the community i've been

4497
02:55:15,349 --> 02:55:12,080
seeing this

4498
02:55:16,710 --> 02:55:15,359
uh from the both of you for for over 10

4499
02:55:19,349 --> 02:55:16,720
years where

4500
02:55:21,590 --> 02:55:19,359
you guys invite open conversation you've

4501
02:55:25,510 --> 02:55:21,600
been doing it month after month after

4502
02:55:28,550 --> 02:55:25,520
month at mufon and now you parse where

4503
02:55:30,870 --> 02:55:28,560
uh the openness in the communication uh

4504
02:55:32,870 --> 02:55:30,880
and from the community and bringing in

4505
02:55:35,670 --> 02:55:32,880
researchers to

4506
02:55:37,990 --> 02:55:35,680
to get the dialogue going is exactly

4507
02:55:39,590 --> 02:55:38,000
what you two have been doing for so long

4508
02:55:41,030 --> 02:55:39,600
and i want to take the opportunity right

4509
02:55:42,710 --> 02:55:41,040
now to thank you for

4510
02:55:45,190 --> 02:55:42,720
the both of you for what you have done

4511
02:55:46,550 --> 02:55:45,200
along with of course steve murillo and

4512
02:55:48,469 --> 02:55:46,560
and what you have done here in los

4513
02:55:50,230 --> 02:55:48,479
angeles county it's just it's it's just

4514
02:55:51,830 --> 02:55:50,240
been incredible and thank you both for

4515
02:55:53,830 --> 02:55:51,840
that

4516
02:55:56,230 --> 02:55:53,840
no thank you thank you

4517
02:55:58,630 --> 02:55:56,240
hey guys be safe and be well and we'll

4518
02:56:01,110 --> 02:55:58,640
be doing a chilled vodka here very soon

4519
02:56:03,269 --> 02:56:01,120
thank you so much yes all right

4520
02:56:06,469 --> 02:56:03,279
all right i'm down i'll talk to you guys

4521
02:56:09,510 --> 02:56:06,479
thank you so much that's alex

4522
02:56:10,790 --> 02:56:09,520
thank you alex alex mistretta and wolf

4523
02:56:12,950 --> 02:56:10,800
mccarron

4524
02:56:13,750 --> 02:56:12,960
and uh again

4525
02:56:15,110 --> 02:56:13,760
uh

4526
02:56:19,269 --> 02:56:15,120
the movie

4527
02:56:22,070 --> 02:56:19,279
is so worth the watch and you can and it

4528
02:56:25,590 --> 02:56:22,080
for for many many many many different

4529
02:56:28,710 --> 02:56:25,600
reasons but i want to say this that it's

4530
02:56:32,309 --> 02:56:28,720
it's it's worth a watch for if you just

4531
02:56:34,950 --> 02:56:32,319
go and check out the new lazar footage

4532
02:56:37,830 --> 02:56:34,960
all right it's some of the other the the

4533
02:56:39,830 --> 02:56:37,840
other footage that is there is done to

4534
02:56:42,150 --> 02:56:39,840
support the film and it's footage that

4535
02:56:44,389 --> 02:56:42,160
we've seen over and over again it's been

4536
02:56:47,030 --> 02:56:44,399
in the public domain for a long time but

4537
02:56:50,870 --> 02:56:47,040
that's not what's important here okay

4538
02:56:53,110 --> 02:56:50,880
the film is is is significant and if you

4539
02:56:55,510 --> 02:56:53,120
view it just as a tribute there is

4540
02:56:57,830 --> 02:56:55,520
enough stuff there for everybody to just

4541
02:57:00,630 --> 02:56:57,840
come away feeling pretty good if you're

4542
02:57:02,070 --> 02:57:00,640
going to go to watch the film as a

4543
02:57:03,429 --> 02:57:02,080
documentary

4544
02:57:04,950 --> 02:57:03,439
with

4545
02:57:08,469 --> 02:57:04,960
everything that a documentary is

4546
02:57:10,790 --> 02:57:08,479
supposed to have and that bob and jeremy

4547
02:57:13,670 --> 02:57:10,800
are are going to present

4548
02:57:16,630 --> 02:57:13,680
all of this new information to just

4549
02:57:19,190 --> 02:57:16,640
absolutely squash and crush the critics

4550
02:57:20,150 --> 02:57:19,200
and the debunkers with a mountain of

4551
02:57:23,349 --> 02:57:20,160
facts

4552
02:57:24,550 --> 02:57:23,359
and piles of documents and just all this

4553
02:57:28,630 --> 02:57:24,560
evidence

4554
02:57:31,910 --> 02:57:28,640
well that's not what this film is about

4555
02:57:33,910 --> 02:57:31,920
and it may have been led that way

4556
02:57:36,550 --> 02:57:33,920
and presented that way that's not what

4557
02:57:39,190 --> 02:57:36,560
it is okay but is it worth watching

4558
02:57:43,030 --> 02:57:39,200
absolutely go and check it out

4559
02:57:44,950 --> 02:57:43,040
bob lazar area 51 and flying saucers i

4560
02:57:46,710 --> 02:57:44,960
am your host jimmy church tomorrow we

4561
02:57:48,150 --> 02:57:46,720
got a very special surprise guest we're

4562
02:57:50,469 --> 02:57:48,160
going to announce that tomorrow we can't

4563
02:57:52,950 --> 02:57:50,479
do it today and i'll it uh you'll know

4564
02:57:55,429 --> 02:57:52,960
why tomorrow but we'll see you tomorrow

4565
02:57:58,070 --> 02:57:55,439
night here on fade to black and then of

4566
02:58:01,349 --> 02:57:58,080
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4567
02:58:04,389 --> 02:58:01,359
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4568
02:58:06,309 --> 02:58:04,399
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4569
02:58:08,630 --> 02:58:06,319
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4570
02:58:11,110 --> 02:58:08,640
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4571
02:58:12,950 --> 02:58:11,120
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4572
02:58:14,710 --> 02:58:12,960
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4573
02:58:17,670 --> 02:58:14,720
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4574
02:58:19,590 --> 02:58:17,680
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4575
02:58:23,670 --> 02:58:19,600
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4576
02:58:25,830 --> 02:58:23,680
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4577
02:58:27,590 --> 02:58:25,840
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4578
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4579
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4580
02:58:33,750 --> 02:58:31,279
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4581
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4582
02:58:39,030 --> 02:58:36,080
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4583
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4584
02:58:43,269 --> 02:58:41,439
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4585
02:58:44,950 --> 02:58:43,279
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4586
02:58:46,469 --> 02:58:44,960
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4587
02:58:48,630 --> 02:58:46,479
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4588
02:58:50,469 --> 02:58:48,640
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4589
02:58:53,269 --> 02:58:50,479
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4590
02:58:55,269 --> 02:58:53,279
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4591
02:59:00,620 --> 02:58:55,279
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4592
02:59:03,400 --> 02:59:00,790
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4593
02:59:19,110 --> 02:59:03,410
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4594
02:59:19,120 --> 02:59:22,490
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